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Re: [TenTec] Orion II Won't Power Up

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion II Won't Power Up
From: Gary Follett <dukeshifi@comcast.net>
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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 22:34:39 -0600
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Unfortunately Ten. Tec did not chose to offer pictorials of the boards.

You are left to use your ohmmeter as your guide. Just connect one end to the 
fuse and probe around for things that look like diodes that show continuity to 
the fuse. You will need to remove the I/O board from the radio to do much 
searching.

This is not as bad as it sounds. I can get one out in about 20 minutes. 
However, first check for voltage on J8 when you operate the power switch. That 
way we know that the turn on signal is getting to the board before you do all 
that work.

Lots of SMD stuff here, not a lot of fun...

Gary

> On Jan 18, 2020, at 10:21 PM, Bernie Skoch via TenTec <tentec@contesting.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Gary.
> 
> Do you happen to have a parts location diagram?
> I can see a couple of diodes beneath the circuit board mounted SO-239s on the 
> board, but I don't want to remove both of those connectors unless absolutely 
> necessary.  I assume D116 is one of those?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Follett <dukeshifi@comcast.net>
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sat, Jan 18, 2020 10:03 pm
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion II Won't Power Up
> 
> Added info: If D116 is shorted, it will not pop the fuse because it is 
> looking at a 1K load resistor. If you did get a transient at the antenna, it 
> is not unreasonable to think that D116 would fail.
> 
> 
> It is possible Q77 failed as well but that is a really common 2N3904.
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2020, at 9:55 PM, Bernie Skoch via TenTec <tentec@contesting.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks.  Where and what type is D116?
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gary Follett <dukeshifi@comcast.net>
>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Sat, Jan 18, 2020 9:47 pm
>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion II Won't Power Up
>> 
>> The 5KP15A device is designed specifically to protect sensitive electronic 
>> equipment from voltage transients induced by lightning and other transient 
>> voltage events. Its job it is to short the supply of the transient to ground 
>> in a picosecond (1E-12 seconds).
>> 
>> Failure of this part in the open mode would have no effect on radio 
>> operation. If shorted, it would pop the main fuse, but only if the relay K1 
>> were on. Since you do not hear that relay clicking on, the transient 
>> suppressor is not even in the circuit.
>> 
>> If D116 were shorted, it would put Q77 base high, pulling Q23 base low. This 
>> would override the Power Switch turn on signal at J8 on the I/O board and 
>> this would prevent the power switch from turning the radio on.
>> 
>> Gary
>> 
>> W0DVN
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2020, at 9:14 PM, Bernie Skoch via TenTec 
>>> <tentec@contesting.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 5KP15A
>> 
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