Hmmm, now that is an interesting measurement Steve.
Based on that, my Eagle is far superior to anything made back in the
70s/80/90s.
Back then I used to run contests and yes, occasionally fall asleep at the
controls.
Now with my Eagle I fall asleep all the time during contests.
The Eagle is best by leaps and bounds! ;-)
73 - Rick, DJ0IP
(Nr. Frankfurt, Germany)
-----Original Message-----
From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Ellington
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 9:50 PM
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Bring back the corsair 2
The "noise" situation is largely how it is perceived.
S meters read the same on both the Corsair II and the IC-7300 but the
"color" of the noise is vastly different.
The 7300's noise is harsher and annoying. The Corsair's noise is soft,
serene and soothing. I fell asleep during a QSO yesterday :*( CW stands out
above the softer noise.
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Darrell Bellerive <ve7iu@runbox.com> wrote:
> Wasn't there also a jump in noise from the Tritons to the Omni ABCDs?
>
>
> On 16-11-23 12:05 PM, Barry N1EU wrote:
>
>> Warms my heart to see W9AC and N4LQ posting on the Ten-Tec reflector
>> lately, like the good old days!!!
>>
>> Only want to add one comment Steve. I'm almost certain you already
>> know this, but I think there was a significant jump in noise from the
>> Omni ABCD to the Corsair series and then another jump up to the Omni V/VI
series.
>> You can mitigate much of the Corsair noise by replacing the AF
>> op-amps etc, as described here:
>> http://corsair.wikidot.com/corsair-opamp . I think my Omni VI is as
>> quiet as my Corsair, but both of them have been heavily tinkered
>> with.
>>
>> Barry N1EU
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Steve Ellington
>> <steven4lq@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I had a loaded K3s then bought an IC-7300 and the noise level was
>> slightly
>>> lower to the point that the K3s started gathering dust.
>>> Recently I picked up a couple of Corsair II's having forgotten what
>>> they were like. After listening to the Corsair II for a while the
>>> noise coming from the IC-7300 sounds like Darth Vader's breathing.
>>> Just a few minutes ago I tried to have a QSO with a guy and I was
>>> having a terrible time trying to copy his CW. I switched to the
>>> Corsair II and felt total relief flood by frazzled brain. I kicked
>>> in the 500 hz xtal filter. The noise actually goes down instead of
>>> up as it does in DSP rigs. I then brought in about 50% audio
>>> filtering and he sounded like a CPO...Remember those?
>>>
>>> The Corsair II was the last of long like of analog rigs from TenTec.
>>> PLL and DSP started creeping in and up came the noise.
>>>
>>> Here's a couple of videos I made to help get the point across. Again
>>> let me say that the 7300 is one of the quietest (modern) radios I've
>>> had and boy does it sound noisy next to the Corsair II!
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX8EWUcnvBU
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LBbiXXRex8
>>>
>>> It's frustrating. I don't want it to be this way. I want a receiver
>>> that's better than the Corsair II. What to do?
>>>
>>> steve n4lq
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Steve Berg <wa9jml@frontier.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is no way that it would be profitable to recreate the Corsair
>>> II
>>>> these days. I really love my Corsair II, and its external VFO.
>>>> But, I also realize that its days are numbered because many of the
>>>> parts in it
>>>>
>>> are
>>>
>>>> no longer available. And, while it was an outstanding DX and
>>>> contest
>>>>
>>> radio
>>>
>>>> when it was built, it is not suitable for contesting any more.
>>>> Mine has done a great job for DXing from my rather poor location.
>>>>
>>>> I like it because after several years I have learned its quirks,
>>>> and how to best use it under varying conditions. Realizing its
>>>> age, I bought an Omni VII during the fire sale so that I would have
>>>> a decent and much
>>>>
>>> newer
>>>
>>>> radio when the Corsair II finally breathes its last. After several
>>>>
>>> months,
>>>
>>>> I put the Omni VII on the shelf, and went back to the Corsair II.
>>>> I eventually found a good home for the Omni with a newly minted
>>>> ham. I
>>>>
>>> don't
>>>
>>>> miss it. It seemed to require a lot of menu usage for simple
>>>> operations, and for which the Corsair II just requires a bit of
>>>> adjustment of a knob
>>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>>> two. I was very impressed with the Eagle when I used one at the
>>>> factory several years ago. Would I buy one at $1700 to have a
>>>> backup for the Corsair II? Most likely yes, especially to help keep
Ten Tec afloat.
>>>>
>>> Most
>>>
>>>> of the Japanese radios make extensive use of menus, and I don't
>>>> like
>>>>
>>> using
>>>
>>>> those. I have two Argonaut VI radios, and the receivers in those
>>>> are simply incredible. I would like to buy 2 more of them for use
>>>> as VHF/UHF IF radios for transverters. They are apparently similar
>>>> to the receiver
>>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>> the Eagle, so that would be yet another reason to buy an Eagle.
>>>> Since I have little use for contesting, that does not enter into my
>>>> preferences
>>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>> rigs.
>>>>
>>>> I have also worked in economic development as a city administrator
>>>> and
>>>>
>>> was
>>>
>>>> on the county economic development board out where I last worked in
>>>> this field. What Mike describes is what we referred to as elephant
hunting.
>>>> And, I suspect that his comments about economic development being
>>>> taken over by the local Chambers of Commerce is sadly true. What
>>>> these people
>>>>
>>> do
>>>
>>>> not understand is that by helping out smaller companies, there is a
>>>> significant increase in a multiplier effect through the local economy.
>>>> And, the local governments also have to provide less in the way of
>>>> tax expenditures and other incentives. Where I live now local
>>>> governments
>>>>
>>> give
>>>
>>>> too many incentives to retail and warehousing, which do not pay
>>>> enough to support a family. They are trying to capitalize on the
>>>> local university students, but wind up shooting themselves in the
>>>> foot rather
>>>>
>>> frequently. I
>>>
>>>> would love to see a federal suit challenging economic incentives on
>>>> the basis of the Fourteenth Amendment's Equal Protection Clause.
>>>> That would really start to level the playing field in local economic
development.
>>>>
>>>> Your Mileage May Vary...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve WA9JML
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/23/2016 10:33 AM, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, like that's going to happen...
>>>>>
>>>>> Considering what Dishtronix has dealt with, prior to the Ten Tec
>>>>> acquisition, in regards to overseas manufacturers, I have some
>>>>> serious doubts that Mike would seriously do this. Even if there
>>>>> is sufficient market for the rig today, which I suspect there isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now if you could design a Corsair III, including a DDS type dual
>>>>> VFO,
>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>
>>>> could afford to build it domestically and sell it at a small profit
>>>> for
>>>>> circa US$600, you might have something. Maybe. But built in
>>>>> China? I doubt it.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, ron w3wn
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>> gary mankoff
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:36 AM
>>>>> To: tentec@contesting.com
>>>>> Subject: [TenTec] Bring back the corsair 2
>>>>>
>>>>> We need a new corsair 2 ,just like the old one with the filters
>>>>>
>>>> installed
>>>
>>>> ,made in China.
>>>>> This is the only way TT can compete.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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