I have a close friend who lives in an apartment building in the inner city.
He has to run a very narrow IF filter PLUS a top of the line outboard DSP
audio filter PLUS the radio's noise blanker PLUS the rx input attenuator AND
turn the RF gain down and after all that his background QRN level on his 80m
OCF is never less than about S9 on 80--and during waking hours more like
S9+20 dB.
So I definitely applaud the idea of a separate rx antenna input.
73, Brian KA9EGW
-----Original Message-----
From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Dean
Martinson
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 11:07 AM
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TenTec] TenTec Digest, Vol 157, Issue 12
I think you have described my Omni 6 plus. Or close to it.
73
Dean
K9QB
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> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 10:42:12 -0600
> From: Brian KA9EGW <ka9egw@ka9egw.com>
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> Subject: Re: [TenTec] TT corporate
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> My point was strictly intended to be about unrealistic expectations
> like for an analogy expecting Cadillac quality for a Kia price.
> People can have their radios fixed wherever they want to. That's
> their choice, I couldn't care less, ain't my business, ain't worth my
time.
> People can charge however much or little they want to. I couldn't
> care less about that either. Ain't my business or worth my time either.
> Last time I checked we were still living in a capitalist free market
> economy.
> But I have to draw a line when people think they're going to walk into
> my shop and tell me how to run my business, regardless of what line of
> business I'm in.
>
> 73, Brian KA9EGW
>
> sent from my device that creates typos
>
> On Jan 7, 2016 9:51 AM, Barry N1EU <barry.n1eu@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Brian, if I understand your analogy, you seem to be saying that you
> > shouldn't buy a Ten-Tec unless you are willing to pay them to service
it.
> > Sorry to drag this unending morass on further, but there are other
> > worthy owner servicing options than just paying the manufacturer/dealer.
> >
> > 73, Barry N1EU
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Brian KA9EGW <ka9egw@ka9egw.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We've established there are costs of doing business.? Customers
> > > either choose to pay enough to offset those costs, or they don't.?
> > > Pure and simple.? My daily driver is a 15-year-old American luxury
> > > car, and I accepted up front that it would cost more to fix at a
> > > Cadillac
> dealership
> > > than it would cost to have "Sammy Shadetree" fix a Ford Escort.?
> > > If
> I'm not
> > > willing to pay those higher repair costs I have no business
> > > driving a Cadillac.? Either way I have no right to complain--the
> > > effects of
> others'
> > > free-will decisions get no sympathy from me, nor should I expect
> others'
> > > sympathy for the effects of mine.? If/when the car breaks down, I
> > > will either choose to "put on my big boy pants" and pay to have it
> > > fixed,
> or I
> > > will make a different choice and won't be driving a Cadillac.? I
> > > have
> no
> > > right to expect GM to build Cadillacs for the price of a Kia.? Now
> PLEASE
> > > can we get back to talking about the radios, and not bicker about
> > > the manufacturer's corporate stuff?
> > > 73, Brian KA9EGW
> > >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 10:42:12 -0600
> From: Brian KA9EGW <ka9egw@ka9egw.com>
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] TT corporate
> Message-ID: <30a5a445-10cc-4a25-acc6-1951a0db5124@email.android.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> My point was strictly intended to be about unrealistic expectations
> like for an analogy expecting Cadillac quality for a Kia price.
> People can have their radios fixed wherever they want to. That's
> their choice, I couldn't care less, ain't my business, ain't worth my
time.
> People can charge however much or little they want to. I couldn't
> care less about that either. Ain't my business or worth my time either.
> Last time I checked we were still living in a capitalist free market
> economy.
> But I have to draw a line when people think they're going to walk into
> my shop and tell me how to run my business, regardless of what line of
> business I'm in.
>
> 73, Brian KA9EGW
>
> sent from my device that creates typos
>
> On Jan 7, 2016 9:51 AM, Barry N1EU <barry.n1eu@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Brian, if I understand your analogy, you seem to be saying that you
> > shouldn't buy a Ten-Tec unless you are willing to pay them to service
it.
> > Sorry to drag this unending morass on further, but there are other
> > worthy owner servicing options than just paying the manufacturer/dealer.
> >
> > 73, Barry N1EU
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Brian KA9EGW <ka9egw@ka9egw.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We've established there are costs of doing business.? Customers
> > > either choose to pay enough to offset those costs, or they don't.?
> > > Pure and simple.? My daily driver is a 15-year-old American luxury
> > > car, and I accepted up front that it would cost more to fix at a
> > > Cadillac
> dealership
> > > than it would cost to have "Sammy Shadetree" fix a Ford Escort.?
> > > If
> I'm not
> > > willing to pay those higher repair costs I have no business
> > > driving a Cadillac.? Either way I have no right to complain--the
> > > effects of
> others'
> > > free-will decisions get no sympathy from me, nor should I expect
> others'
> > > sympathy for the effects of mine.? If/when the car breaks down, I
> > > will either choose to "put on my big boy pants" and pay to have it
> > > fixed,
> or I
> > > will make a different choice and won't be driving a Cadillac.? I
> > > have
> no
> > > right to expect GM to build Cadillacs for the price of a Kia.? Now
> PLEASE
> > > can we get back to talking about the radios, and not bicker about
> > > the manufacturer's corporate stuff?
> > > 73, Brian KA9EGW
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > TenTec@contesting.com
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 17:52:54 +0100
> From: "rick@dj0ip.de" <Rick@DJ0IP.de>
> To: "'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment'" <tentec@contesting.com>
> Subject: [TenTec] Pimp My Eagle
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>
> PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD FOCUSED ON THE ?EAGLE.?
>
> (feel free to start a new thread on O7+ or O3)
>
>
>
> I agree with Brian . . . let?s talk about radios again.
>
>
>
> It seems the current tentative plan is:
>
>
>
> 1) OM7(+) gets a new front plate and face plate, but not a lot of
> changes
>
> 2) (super) Eagle gets new DSP and _ _ _ _ _ _
>
> 3) Argonaut 6 will more or less resume production unchanged
>
> 4) An O3 is in the making, details unknown
>
>
>
> I want to make a suggestions about the future Eagle.
>
>
>
> IMO TEN-TEC made a mistake with the Eagle.
>
> They tried to address three market segments with one product.
>
> 1) A simple easy to use computer for old folks (including me) who
> usually prefer not to even turn the computer on, just because we want
> to get on the radio ? but do want high performance.
>
> 2) The mobile hf market
>
> 3) The entry level 100w hf transceiver market
>
>
>
> Result: Jack of all trades, master of none.
>
>
>
> If you read the wish list in the Eagle group, since the beginning
> there were clearly representatives of all three groups expressing
> wishes for improvements. What might benefit one group is often
> counter-productive for the other.
>
>
>
> If Ten-Tec is to succeed, they need to identify the market segment for
> each product and optimize for it.
>
>
>
> Of the three segments I have listed above, I believe Ten-Tec?s best
> chance is in no. 1.
>
>
>
> I don?t think any US based OEM can go big in the entry level segment
> because it is primarily driven by price.
>
>
>
> I also believe a mobile rig today MUST have a removable front panel.
> Sure some people don?t mind having the radio occupy the front
> passenger space, but I prefer to keep it for my XYL. (In fact I have
> no choice ;-)
>
>
>
> My wish is for the Super Eagle to focus on number 1 above.
>
> As such, I can propose some changes:
>
>
>
> 1) And most important: a bigger box. In all my 15+ years
> participating in Ten-Tec groups, I can?t recall a single instance of
anyone
> asking for a smaller box. Yet ALL OEMs seem to think that?s what we
want.
> Lots of important things suffer when you reduce the size of the box.
> You have less knobs, more menu adjustable items, smaller loud speaker,
> smaller S-Meter, coils are smaller (lower Q), heat sinks are smaller
> and fans are smaller so you have more noise. Less room for working on
> the radio, less room for back panel jacks (so we must use plugs with
> 75 pins!). DON?T NEED ANY OF THIS. I NEED THE FOLLOWING?
>
> 2) Larger knobs. Concentric knobs are only ok if they are large
> enough.
>
> 3) Larger S-meter. Prefer a true meter, but if not, then at least a
> color-coded LED meter.
>
> 4) ? inch connections for things like key and headphones;
>
> 5) Separate jacks for paddle and straight key
>
> 6) PTT and AMP KEY should be RCA Phono (again)
>
> 7) Dedicated RIT control (not the multi-knob)
>
> 8) Simplified VFO mode (i.e. getting in and out of split)
>
> 9) Buttons should have a max of dual function. Push once to enable
> main function, push twice (quickly) to enable secondary function. I
> don?t want to push multiple buttons that may be on opposite sides of
> the front panel.
>
> 10) Exception to menu handling is allowed but only for things that
really
> are ?set once and forget?, such as defining filter slots and screen color.
>
> 11) Mic gain and CW Speed should be a dedicated knob. I?m OK with it
> just
> being one knob, but others might prefer concentric.
>
> 12) Band stacking register. Don?t understand why it was left out.
>
> 13) [finally] address the keying timing issues when using a non-Ten-Tec
> linear amplifier. The Pre-dit and Post-dit (hang) time must be
adjustable.
> Pre-dit can be inside the ?set once and forget? menu, but Post-dit is
> a value I change often. Either make it easy to adjust, OR make it
> dynamically linked to the keyer speed with user adjustable ratio.
> There are keyers on the market that have this feature.
>
> 14) IF output to the real panel. Can be an option, but just plug one
> cable.
>
> 15) Pre-selector output to the real panel. Can be an option, but just 2
> cables.
>
> 16) AUX-RX ANT connection. It?s to the point now that often the low
> bands
> are only usable with some kind of special small receiving antenna, due
> to all the noise from consumer products.
>
> 17) NO BAND SCOPE. (Use the IF connector on the rear panel). Or use an
> ANT OUT, an external SDR, and Carl?s NP4Y software.
>
> 18) Power Out indicator (not just an ALC LED)
>
> 19) What else?
>
> 20) Bright Red-Orange Dot! ;-)
>
>
>
> I?m sure I have forgotten a few points, but mainly KEEP IT SIMPLE so
> that old eyes and old fingers can use it.
>
>
>
> I intentionally began this thread here rather than in the Eagle group
> because maybe if we get these changes, some of the people here (and
> not currently in the Eagle group) will join us.
>
>
>
> PIMP MY EAGLE!
>
>
>
> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
>
> (Nr. Frankfurt, Germany)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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