I think you have described my Omni 6 plus. Or close to it.
73
Dean
K9QB
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> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 10:42:12 -0600
> From: Brian KA9EGW <ka9egw@ka9egw.com>
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] TT corporate
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> My point was strictly intended to be about unrealistic expectations like
> for an analogy expecting Cadillac quality for a Kia price.
> People can have their radios fixed wherever they want to. That's their
> choice, I couldn't care less, ain't my business, ain't worth my time.
> People can charge however much or little they want to. I couldn't care
> less about that either. Ain't my business or worth my time either.
> Last time I checked we were still living in a capitalist free market
> economy.
> But I have to draw a line when people think they're going to walk into my
> shop and tell me how to run my business, regardless of what line of
> business I'm in.
>
> 73, Brian KA9EGW
>
> sent from my device that creates typos
>
> On Jan 7, 2016 9:51 AM, Barry N1EU <barry.n1eu@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Brian, if I understand your analogy, you seem to be saying that you
> > shouldn't buy a Ten-Tec unless you are willing to pay them to service it.
> > Sorry to drag this unending morass on further, but there are other worthy
> > owner servicing options than just paying the manufacturer/dealer.
> >
> > 73, Barry N1EU
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Brian KA9EGW <ka9egw@ka9egw.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We've established there are costs of doing business.? Customers either
> > > choose to pay enough to offset those costs, or they don't.? Pure and
> > > simple.? My daily driver is a 15-year-old American luxury car, and I
> > > accepted up front that it would cost more to fix at a Cadillac
> dealership
> > > than it would cost to have "Sammy Shadetree" fix a Ford Escort.? If
> I'm not
> > > willing to pay those higher repair costs I have no business driving a
> > > Cadillac.? Either way I have no right to complain--the effects of
> others'
> > > free-will decisions get no sympathy from me, nor should I expect
> others'
> > > sympathy for the effects of mine.? If/when the car breaks down, I will
> > > either choose to "put on my big boy pants" and pay to have it fixed,
> or I
> > > will make a different choice and won't be driving a Cadillac.? I have
> no
> > > right to expect GM to build Cadillacs for the price of a Kia.? Now
> PLEASE
> > > can we get back to talking about the radios, and not bicker about the
> > > manufacturer's corporate stuff?
> > > 73, Brian KA9EGW
> > >
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> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 10:42:12 -0600
> From: Brian KA9EGW <ka9egw@ka9egw.com>
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] TT corporate
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> My point was strictly intended to be about unrealistic expectations like
> for an analogy expecting Cadillac quality for a Kia price.
> People can have their radios fixed wherever they want to. That's their
> choice, I couldn't care less, ain't my business, ain't worth my time.
> People can charge however much or little they want to. I couldn't care
> less about that either. Ain't my business or worth my time either.
> Last time I checked we were still living in a capitalist free market
> economy.
> But I have to draw a line when people think they're going to walk into my
> shop and tell me how to run my business, regardless of what line of
> business I'm in.
>
> 73, Brian KA9EGW
>
> sent from my device that creates typos
>
> On Jan 7, 2016 9:51 AM, Barry N1EU <barry.n1eu@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Brian, if I understand your analogy, you seem to be saying that you
> > shouldn't buy a Ten-Tec unless you are willing to pay them to service it.
> > Sorry to drag this unending morass on further, but there are other worthy
> > owner servicing options than just paying the manufacturer/dealer.
> >
> > 73, Barry N1EU
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Brian KA9EGW <ka9egw@ka9egw.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We've established there are costs of doing business.? Customers either
> > > choose to pay enough to offset those costs, or they don't.? Pure and
> > > simple.? My daily driver is a 15-year-old American luxury car, and I
> > > accepted up front that it would cost more to fix at a Cadillac
> dealership
> > > than it would cost to have "Sammy Shadetree" fix a Ford Escort.? If
> I'm not
> > > willing to pay those higher repair costs I have no business driving a
> > > Cadillac.? Either way I have no right to complain--the effects of
> others'
> > > free-will decisions get no sympathy from me, nor should I expect
> others'
> > > sympathy for the effects of mine.? If/when the car breaks down, I will
> > > either choose to "put on my big boy pants" and pay to have it fixed,
> or I
> > > will make a different choice and won't be driving a Cadillac.? I have
> no
> > > right to expect GM to build Cadillacs for the price of a Kia.? Now
> PLEASE
> > > can we get back to talking about the radios, and not bicker about the
> > > manufacturer's corporate stuff?
> > > 73, Brian KA9EGW
> > >
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> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 17:52:54 +0100
> From: "rick@dj0ip.de" <Rick@DJ0IP.de>
> To: "'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment'" <tentec@contesting.com>
> Subject: [TenTec] Pimp My Eagle
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> PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD FOCUSED ON THE ?EAGLE.?
>
> (feel free to start a new thread on O7+ or O3)
>
>
>
> I agree with Brian . . . let?s talk about radios again.
>
>
>
> It seems the current tentative plan is:
>
>
>
> 1) OM7(+) gets a new front plate and face plate, but not a lot of
> changes
>
> 2) (super) Eagle gets new DSP and _ _ _ _ _ _
>
> 3) Argonaut 6 will more or less resume production unchanged
>
> 4) An O3 is in the making, details unknown
>
>
>
> I want to make a suggestions about the future Eagle.
>
>
>
> IMO TEN-TEC made a mistake with the Eagle.
>
> They tried to address three market segments with one product.
>
> 1) A simple easy to use computer for old folks (including me) who
> usually prefer not to even turn the computer on, just because we want to
> get
> on the radio ? but do want high performance.
>
> 2) The mobile hf market
>
> 3) The entry level 100w hf transceiver market
>
>
>
> Result: Jack of all trades, master of none.
>
>
>
> If you read the wish list in the Eagle group, since the beginning there
> were
> clearly representatives of all three groups expressing wishes for
> improvements. What might benefit one group is often counter-productive for
> the other.
>
>
>
> If Ten-Tec is to succeed, they need to identify the market segment for each
> product and optimize for it.
>
>
>
> Of the three segments I have listed above, I believe Ten-Tec?s best chance
> is in no. 1.
>
>
>
> I don?t think any US based OEM can go big in the entry level segment
> because
> it is primarily driven by price.
>
>
>
> I also believe a mobile rig today MUST have a removable front panel. Sure
> some people don?t mind having the radio occupy the front passenger space,
> but I prefer to keep it for my XYL. (In fact I have no choice ;-)
>
>
>
> My wish is for the Super Eagle to focus on number 1 above.
>
> As such, I can propose some changes:
>
>
>
> 1) And most important: a bigger box. In all my 15+ years
> participating in Ten-Tec groups, I can?t recall a single instance of anyone
> asking for a smaller box. Yet ALL OEMs seem to think that?s what we want.
> Lots of important things suffer when you reduce the size of the box. You
> have less knobs, more menu adjustable items, smaller loud speaker, smaller
> S-Meter, coils are smaller (lower Q), heat sinks are smaller and fans are
> smaller so you have more noise. Less room for working on the radio, less
> room for back panel jacks (so we must use plugs with 75 pins!). DON?T NEED
> ANY OF THIS. I NEED THE FOLLOWING?
>
> 2) Larger knobs. Concentric knobs are only ok if they are large
> enough.
>
> 3) Larger S-meter. Prefer a true meter, but if not, then at least a
> color-coded LED meter.
>
> 4) ? inch connections for things like key and headphones;
>
> 5) Separate jacks for paddle and straight key
>
> 6) PTT and AMP KEY should be RCA Phono (again)
>
> 7) Dedicated RIT control (not the multi-knob)
>
> 8) Simplified VFO mode (i.e. getting in and out of split)
>
> 9) Buttons should have a max of dual function. Push once to enable
> main function, push twice (quickly) to enable secondary function. I don?t
> want to push multiple buttons that may be on opposite sides of the front
> panel.
>
> 10) Exception to menu handling is allowed but only for things that really
> are ?set once and forget?, such as defining filter slots and screen color.
>
> 11) Mic gain and CW Speed should be a dedicated knob. I?m OK with it
> just
> being one knob, but others might prefer concentric.
>
> 12) Band stacking register. Don?t understand why it was left out.
>
> 13) [finally] address the keying timing issues when using a non-Ten-Tec
> linear amplifier. The Pre-dit and Post-dit (hang) time must be adjustable.
> Pre-dit can be inside the ?set once and forget? menu, but Post-dit is a
> value I change often. Either make it easy to adjust, OR make it
> dynamically
> linked to the keyer speed with user adjustable ratio. There are keyers on
> the market that have this feature.
>
> 14) IF output to the real panel. Can be an option, but just plug one
> cable.
>
> 15) Pre-selector output to the real panel. Can be an option, but just 2
> cables.
>
> 16) AUX-RX ANT connection. It?s to the point now that often the low
> bands
> are only usable with some kind of special small receiving antenna, due to
> all the noise from consumer products.
>
> 17) NO BAND SCOPE. (Use the IF connector on the rear panel). Or use an
> ANT OUT, an external SDR, and Carl?s NP4Y software.
>
> 18) Power Out indicator (not just an ALC LED)
>
> 19) What else?
>
> 20) Bright Red-Orange Dot! ;-)
>
>
>
> I?m sure I have forgotten a few points, but mainly KEEP IT SIMPLE so that
> old eyes and old fingers can use it.
>
>
>
> I intentionally began this thread here rather than in the Eagle group
> because maybe if we get these changes, some of the people here (and not
> currently in the Eagle group) will join us.
>
>
>
> PIMP MY EAGLE!
>
>
>
> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
>
> (Nr. Frankfurt, Germany)
>
>
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