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Today's Topics:
1. Behringer DJ Panel For Flex 6000 Series (terry foskey)
2. Re: Behringer DJ Panel For Flex 6000 Series (Carl Moreschi)
3. Re: Dirty Transmitters (Jim Brown)
4. Re: Flex Radio for Contesting (Spencer)
5. any stray RX-366s? (Allan Taylor)
6. Corsair II - Filter Classtime Please (k7mks@comcast.net)
7. Re: Flex Radio for Contesting (rick@dj0ip.de)
8. Re: Flex 5000 PowerSDR Interface (rick@dj0ip.de)
9. Re: Corsair II - Filter Classtime Please (Barry N1EU)
10. Re: Flex Radio for Contesting (Charles Strickland)
11. Re: Flex Radio for Contesting (Barry N1EU)
12. Re: Corsair II - Filter Classtime Please (W8BVH)
13. Flex 5000 PowerSDR Interface (Joe Word)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 00:50:10 +0000 (UTC)
From: terry foskey <n5tf@yahoo.com>
To: "TenTec@contesting.com" <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: [TenTec] Behringer DJ Panel For Flex 6000 Series
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Barry - that's good news on the behringer, looks good, got?buttons and two
VFO knobs.
Sent with my dirty transmitter stained fingers,N5TF,
Terry
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2015 20:04:36 -0500
From: Carl Moreschi <n4py3@earthlink.net>
To: terry foskey <n5tf@yahoo.com>, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Behringer DJ Panel For Flex 6000 Series
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My N4PY Pegasus Plus will allow you to use a Tmate2 3 knob, 9 button
device with all Flex radios and any radio that I support.
Carl Moreschi N4PY
58 Hogwood Rd
Louisburg, NC 27549
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On 12/8/2015 7:50 PM, terry foskey via TenTec wrote:
Barry - that's good news on the behringer, looks good, got buttons and
two VFO knobs.
Sent with my dirty transmitter stained fingers,N5TF,
Terry
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 19:01:19 -0800
From: Jim Brown <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Dirty Transmitters
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On Tue,12/8/2015 4:43 PM, terry foskey via TenTec wrote:
You should do your part and buy the best performing rigs out there and as
the bar continues to get set higher, you should sell and again buy the
best.
Yes, and I've done exactly that. My rigs are all K3s. I sold a pair of
FT1000MPs to buy the first one. :)
That said, the last two sentences in the report echoed my comments, in
summary - most Hams don't care and will continue to buy what some of you
classify as dirty. I would also offer that Hams operating these "Dirty"
rigs aren't violating any FCC or statutory regulations.
Oh, but they ARE in violation. FCC Rules clearly state that hams SHALL
use the minimum bandwidth needed for the transmitted mode. ARRL Labs
tests most new rigs when they are introduced. You can find a comparison
of their measurements about 20 of those rigs here.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__k9yc.com_TXNoise.pdf&d=CwICAg&c=82NFg6qkAwmLf-ElsTDuMzmUibVPgLssK8WcsyJgSiA&r=qLRr3eMSdgHqtZiPnK6NYt_TFH3FwDzD-b4QQg-nAZI&m=ji57IzDxjf5Z54SVsV3tJlrMJWzPWoPoElsr97Ndx2g&s=5AhCUjnVmS6KVM4NshSQpEurll_X_nvf1v1C3lfAst0&e=
Their tests clearly show that the K3 is the
cleanest of all mass-produced rigs, and that the Kenwood TS590S is a
close second. The 590S is not an expensive rig, selling for about $1500
last I looked. Those other rigs -- Yaesu and ICOM, use 2-4x the
bandwidth of the K3, and they do that because they are VERY careless
about their design of CW keying!
So it comes down to opinions. Opinions with the only ability to change
the status quo is to talk with their pocketbooks. I don't believe the
opinions expressed in these forums will do little to sway Yaesu, which
seems to be the worst offender according to commentary.
I don't place much credence in opinions, and I almost never express
opinions. When I say something about a technical issue, I am stating
facts as I have taken the time to learn them.
I plan to operate my dirty beasts (Yaesu and Flex) in a multi-station
setup later this coming year, we will see what a menace they really
are....The Yaesu FTDX 1200 was operated last year with no issues. We
will run some tests this year in an effort to identify impacts.
No need to "run some tests" unless you're going to improve on what ARRL
Labs is doing with very expensive and state of the art test gear.
73, Jim K9YC
N5TF,Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Brown
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 6:40 AM
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Dirty Transmitters
On Mon,12/7/2015 8:41 PM, rick@dj0ip.de wrote:
IMO, the 5000 should not be allowed on the bands unless QRP.
Likewise with most Yaesu and ICOM rigs.
73, Jim K9YC
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 20:33:52 -0700
From: Spencer <w1gak@arrl.net>
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Flex Radio for Contesting
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Use a boat anchor radio and your SDR, listen to WWV on both. The
latency, if any, is easy to detect.
Spencer W1GAK
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 19:48:40 -0800
From: Allan Taylor <k7gt.cw@gmail.com>
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: [TenTec] any stray RX-366s?
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With all this talk about how bad the Orion II is, I am wondering if
someone is willing to part out one and sell me the RX-366 that
is troubling them.
All fun aside, I would really like to locate a RX-366 to purchase and
put in my newly acquired Orion II.
--
73 Allan K7GT
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 06:02:51 +0000 (UTC)
From: k7mks@comcast.net
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: [TenTec] Corsair II - Filter Classtime Please
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I"m enjoying a late S/N (25xx), which is new to me, and am puzzled about
the filters. The manual says there is a 2.4 KH filter (which may be a
roofing type but was not called that in the 1980s) and mine also has the
optional 1.8 500 Hz and 250 Hz filters. That makes 4 filters with the 3
optional ones installed. I have yet to figure out how to get 4 receiving
bandwidths with a panel switch of only 3 positions.
There is a note on Page 3-14 about removing or cutting a jumper on the 1.8
KHz socket if this filter is to be installed. Not sure of the reason to do
this.
Can anyone scan page 3-34 Corsair II Parts List. Missing from my manual.
Thanks for the help from TT fans.
joe k7mks
that page is ,iussing from my manuals
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 09:42:40 +0100
From: "rick@dj0ip.de" <Rick@dj0ip.de>
To: "'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment'" <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Flex Radio for Contesting
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NO, absolutely not!
We are discussing the future of ten-tec and what features the radios
should
or should not have.
Understanding SDR technology will help us define our own needs to Ten-Tec.
I found Duane's comments but also replies from Carl and some of the others
to be the most valuable tidbit of information that I have picked up on any
ham reflector for quite some time.
THANKS guys!
73, Rick - DJ0IP
-----Original Message-----
From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Berg
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 8:25 PM
Wouldn't this lengthy discussion of a competitor's radios be a lot more
appropriate on the Flex reflector?
Steve WA9JML
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 09:51:45 +0100
From: "rick@dj0ip.de" <Rick@dj0ip.de>
To: "'terry foskey'" <n5tf@yahoo.com>, "'Discussion of Ten-Tec
Equipment'" <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Flex 5000 PowerSDR Interface
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I'm pretty sure they are not.
73
Rick, DJ0IP
-----Original Message-----
From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of terry
foskey via TenTec
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 1:24 AM
To: TenTec@contesting.com
Cc: terry foskey
Subject: [TenTec] Flex 5000 PowerSDR Interface
Barry is correct.
Tobias (DH1TW) website:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.dh1tw.de_PowerSDR-2DUI&d=CwICAg&c=82NFg6qkAwmLf-ElsTDuMzmUibVPgLssK8WcsyJgSiA&r=qLRr3eMSdgHqtZiPnK6NYt_TFH3FwDzD-b4QQg-nAZI&m=ji57IzDxjf5Z54SVsV3tJlrMJWzPWoPoElsr97Ndx2g&s=Q7CTI-cCYc23QonZ06JLZ2ZjOMU2cXjddQEKLhL_K6M&e=
Not sure Flex is willing to give up code for 6000 series.
N5TF, Terry
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 06:01:06 -0500
From: Barry N1EU <barry.n1eu@gmail.com>
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Corsair II - Filter Classtime Please
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Page 2-9 of the Corsair II manual clearly explains how the "XTAL" switch
points to the broader three filters of the four in ssb and the narrower
three filters of the four in cw.
I would guess that there's a jumper on the socket so that the receiver
will
still function if that slot is selected by the XTAL switch, but it
wouldn't
be advisable to intentionally select that slot if it's only jumpered.
Barry N1EU
On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 1:02 AM, <k7mks@comcast.net> wrote:
I"m enjoying a late S/N (25xx), which is new to me, and am puzzled about
the filters. The manual says there is a 2.4 KH filter (which may be a
roofing type but was not called that in the 1980s) and mine also has the
optional 1.8 500 Hz and 250 Hz filters. That makes 4 filters with the 3
optional ones installed. I have yet to figure out how to get 4 receiving
bandwidths with a panel switch of only 3 positions.
There is a note on Page 3-14 about removing or cutting a jumper on the
1.8
KHz socket if this filter is to be installed. Not sure of the reason to
do
this.
Can anyone scan page 3-34 Corsair II Parts List. Missing from my manual.
Thanks for the help from TT fans.
joe k7mks
that page is ,iussing from my manuals
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 06:02:23 -0500
From: "Charles Strickland" <wa4oss@earthlink.net>
To: "'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment'" <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Flex Radio for Contesting
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Over the last eight years I have used and still do, many SDR devices and
various software packages. The latency varies widely among these.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 10:34 PM
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Flex Radio for Contesting
Use a boat anchor radio and your SDR, listen to WWV on both. The latency,
if any, is easy to detect.
Spencer W1GAK
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 06:12:19 -0500
From: Barry N1EU <barry.n1eu@gmail.com>
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Flex Radio for Contesting
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I invite interested parties to read the entire latency thread I started
over on the Flex forum:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.flexradio.com_flexradio_topics_receive-2Dlatency&d=CwICAg&c=82NFg6qkAwmLf-ElsTDuMzmUibVPgLssK8WcsyJgSiA&r=qLRr3eMSdgHqtZiPnK6NYt_TFH3FwDzD-b4QQg-nAZI&m=ji57IzDxjf5Z54SVsV3tJlrMJWzPWoPoElsr97Ndx2g&s=TXfKCavtGfrUHhWF5N8WSq_HXW113nIueBcCh6YV5PM&e=
The bottom line, as far as I can tell, is that Flex engineering made a
clear decision, at this point anyway, of providing only ULTRA steep (i.e.,
vertical) filter slopes resulting in higher latency. I make the argument
that shallower filter slopes are often preferable and should be an option.
When you look at the filter slopes of the Orion (combined xtal roofing
filter plus 199 taps dsp), it's no coincidence that they match the filter
slopes on the Omni VI+ (3 xtal filters in the signal path in cw). The
Elecraft K3 slopes are similar as well. And those somewhat shallower
slopes are what I prefer - they sound better to my ear on cw ragchewing,
and they allow me to hear callers that are slightly off my cq'ing
frequency
in a contest. The PowerSDR line of SDR's (old Flex and new
OpenHPSDR/ANAN)
allow the user to widely adjust the filter slopes, but the new Flex
(SmartSDR) doesn't allow this (yet).
Barry N1EU
On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 3:42 AM, rick@dj0ip.de <Rick@dj0ip.de> wrote:
NO, absolutely not!
We are discussing the future of ten-tec and what features the radios
should
or should not have.
Understanding SDR technology will help us define our own needs to
Ten-Tec.
I found Duane's comments but also replies from Carl and some of the
others
to be the most valuable tidbit of information that I have picked up on
any
ham reflector for quite some time.
THANKS guys!
73, Rick - DJ0IP
-----Original Message-----
From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Berg
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 8:25 PM
Wouldn't this lengthy discussion of a competitor's radios be a lot more
appropriate on the Flex reflector?
Steve WA9JML
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 08:17:30 -0500
From: "W8BVH" <w8bvh@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Corsair II - Filter Classtime Please
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Hello Joe,
I was going to scan your page request from my manual I bought from Ten Tec
a
few years ago but find that page 3-34 is missing from this manual also.
Should you find that page somewhere I would appreciate a copy and likewise
should I forage one up I'll send to you. Strange that a new manual copy
would not have that page in it.
Best regards,
Ralph Howes
W8BVH
----- Original Message -----
From: <k7mks@comcast.net>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 1:02 AM
Subject: [TenTec] Corsair II - Filter Classtime Please
I"m enjoying a late S/N (25xx), which is new to me, and am puzzled about
the filters. The manual says there is a 2.4 KH filter (which may be a
roofing type but was not called that in the 1980s) and mine also has the
optional 1.8 500 Hz and 250 Hz filters. That makes 4 filters with the 3
optional ones installed. I have yet to figure out how to get 4 receiving
bandwidths with a panel switch of only 3 positions.
There is a note on Page 3-14 about removing or cutting a jumper on the
1.8
KHz socket if this filter is to be installed. Not sure of the reason to
do
this.
Can anyone scan page 3-34 Corsair II Parts List. Missing from my manual.
Thanks for the help from TT fans.
joe k7mks
that page is ,iussing from my manuals
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 09:11:36 -0500
From: Joe Word <n9vx.joe@gmail.com>
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: [TenTec] Flex 5000 PowerSDR Interface
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This is what they provide for the 6000 series.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.flexradio.com_amateur-2Dproducts_flex-2D6000-2Dsignature-2Dseries_smartsdr-2Dapi_&d=CwICAg&c=82NFg6qkAwmLf-ElsTDuMzmUibVPgLssK8WcsyJgSiA&r=qLRr3eMSdgHqtZiPnK6NYt_TFH3FwDzD-b4QQg-nAZI&m=ji57IzDxjf5Z54SVsV3tJlrMJWzPWoPoElsr97Ndx2g&s=H5UUozOFf4ygFKEvYQZEbS3fxrAYQ2m1uNncMfqR3kg&e=
There are various people writing interfaces to Apple and etc machines.
Joe N9VX
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