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Re: [TenTec] ARRL Phase Noise Data Plotted to 1 MHz

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] ARRL Phase Noise Data Plotted to 1 MHz
From: Kim Elmore <cw_de_n5op@sbcglobal.net>
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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:32:36 -0500
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Nicely done, Jim.

Since I have an O II, I looked at that one first. I see the O II shows the lowest phase noise out to about 2.5 kHz, where it matched the K3, then heads the wrong way. It's #2 to about 7.5 kHz and then is among the worst (THE worst) at 50 kHz. At 300 kHz, it's still worse that the IC7600.

The TS-590 and Eagle comparisons are interesting, too: close in, the Eagle is 10 dB better than the '590, but the phase noise difference vanishes and they two are in a dead heat by 5 kHz from the carrier. The Eagle is better by ~10 dB at 10 kHz, but the two become essentially identical by 11 kHz.

The K3 monotonically decreases with separation from the carrier and does it at a steep rate -- well done!

I know that there's more to the overall "stuff" generated by transmitters, but the phase noise characteristics of the K3 with frequency are quite impressive.

How might we look at a total noise figure? Phase noise is in dBC/Hz, so we can't simply sum it with things like IMD. Should we integrate the phase noise power as a function of bandwidth, so that we can look at the phase noise power for CW and SSB (pick a defining bandwidths)? How, then, do we handle the other noise sources that don't integrate as nicely across the pass band?

Perhaps there's no single number that we can generate -- each represents a different "dimension" of the total problem.

Kim N5OP

On 7/27/2014 3:45 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
The title says it all -- Rick asked for it, and I did it this morning, changing the frequency axis to log and moving labels around. I also added data for the new IC7100, a do everything cheapie with a remote head, just reviewed in July QST.

k9yc.com/TXPhaseNoise-1MHz.png

For the Field Day problem, look at the data around 200-300 kHz -- that's what we run into when we run CW and SSB on the same band. There's 15 dB difference between the IC7100 and the IC7600/TS590, and the K3 is another 17 dB better than the best of those!

And, as I noted in an earlier post, this is only one part of the problem -- there's also IMD on both TX and RX, clicks, audio distortion, and RX phase noise. This stuff CANNOT be filtered -- it's all "in band."

Now I'm going to tackle the key click data.

73, Jim K9YC


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