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Re: [TenTec] In praise of older technology AM transmit with TenTec rigs

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] In praise of older technology AM transmit with TenTec rigs
From: "Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP" <Rick@DJ0IP.de>
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 00:29:06 +0100
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Hi Jim,

Please don't include me in that scenario.
You are very welcome to walk in my shadow, and I will gladly walk in yours.
We need every ham we can get or we are going to die out.

IMO, one of the reasons that you don't hear of Ten-Tec radios on
DX-peditions is because Ten-Tec has always refused to sponsor them.
Elecraft has always been a big sponsor of DX-peditions and that's why most
expeditions take them along.

In my club, which launches some of the world's largest DX-peditions, we have
standards for what people can take along on the DX-peditions.  We learned
years ago that if you have too much variety, it causes more confusion than
good.  So we learned to standardize.  That way no operator is confronted
with a rig he doesn't know.  My club made the Kenwood TS-850 its standard
and that lasted for 10 years, with the occasional FT-1000 being accepted.
In recent years (past 5 or 6) they have been replaced by the K3.

Many of our members use Ten-Tec transceivers at home but do not take them on
the expeditions.  Too exotic. 

73 - Rick, DJ0IP
(Nr. Frankfurt am Main)


-----Original Message-----
From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim Vohland
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:58 PM
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TenTec] In praise of older technology AM transmit with TenTec
rigs

I realize that compared to you guys, I'm not worthy to walk in your shadows
but I do read all the discussions with interest and learn much. I have owned
and do have TenTec products and for the most part have been pleased. I have
wondered however, why we never see any DXexpeditions using TenTec equipment?
Comments.

> From: resluder@yahoo.com
> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 11:39:28 -0500
> To: wa4njy@yahoo.com; wa4njy@yahoo.com; tentec@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] In praise of older technology AM transmit       with
TenTec  rigs
> 
> Excellent analogies. 
> 
> Eric
> W9WLW
> 
> On February 27, 2014 11:22:16 AM EST, Ed Purvis <wa4njy@yahoo.com> wrote:
> |The Eagle seems to be a Ferrari with roll-up windows.
> |
> |The OMNI VII (had one) is a Mustang with nice options.
> |
> |Best analogy I can muster now.
> |
> |Ed
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |________________________________
> | From: R. Eric Sluder-W9WLW <resluder@yahoo.com>
> |To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
> |Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 10:32 AM
> |Subject: Re: [TenTec] In praise of older technology AM transmit
> |with TenTec  rigs
> | 
> |
> |Bry:
> |
> |You won't find a simpler rig to use that rates high on Rob's list for 
> |receiver performance, and that is the Eagle.  It's so simple, that 
> |when I got mine I actually went through "Knob Withdrawal" in that I 
> |started second guessing if I made the right decision.  You look at 
> |the radio, and it does what you want it to do, but has so few buttons 
> |or knobs that you ask yourself, "did I over pay for this box?"  It 
> |just goes to show you how programmed we've become with the marketing 
> |hype in Ham Radio.
> |
> |The Eagle isn't for everyone, but it's a great mobile, or great home 
> |based radio if you realize, it's not designed to be a contest class 
> |radio even though the receiver is contest class grade.  It's a top 
> |notch radio inside a box with simple controls for those who might use 
> |it in an RV, or mobile in a car, and for rag chewers, general ops. 
> |IMO
> |
> |
> |73
> |
> | 
> |- R. Eric Sluder
> |
> |W9WLW
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |>________________________________
> |> From: Brian Carling <bcarling@cfl.rr.com>
> |>To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
> |>Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:23 AM
> |>Subject: Re: [TenTec] In praise of older technology AM transmit with
> |TenTec    rigs
> |> 
> |>
> |>The Omni VII discussion is very informative. I need encouragement 
> |>when
> |it comes to accepting the ergonomics of most modern rigs. The FT450 
> |felt like I was burned with its horrible menu system. I actually 
> |prefer the FT857D... But anything like the TS590 is just not going to 
> |work here. The OMNI VII arrangement sounds far more practical than 
> |most menu controlled rigs.
> |>
> |>Best regards - Bry Carling AF4K
> |>
> |>
> |>
> |>> On Feb 27, 2014, at 6:31 AM, Richards <jrichards@k8jhr.com> wrote:
> |>> 
> |>> 
> |>> 
> |>> On 2/26/2014 6:13 PM, R. Eric Sluder - W9WLW wrote:
> |>> 
> |>> I see where even on the new and highly touted TS-590 you do some
> |serious button pushing too.
> |>> 
> |>> 
> |>>        I have a TS-590 and the Omni VII in my shack.
> |>> 
> |>>        I like both radios, but I prefer operating the
> |>>        Omni VII.  It is not so much the multiple pressing
> |>>        of buttons, as the fact the display only shows
> |>>        one menu item at a time, so you either press
> |>>        several buttons to adjust several things, or you
> |>>        must work the multi knob and scroll through like
> |>>        87 or more items sequentially to get what you want,
> |>>        which is NOT as quick and easy as looking at a
> |>>        list of 18 or 19 items at once, and quickly scrolling
> |>>        to the one you want.   Remembering the menu item
> |>>        numbers on the 590 is not as easy as just looking
> |>>        at a menu list and seeing what you want among
> |>>        the rest all at once.   (hard to describe...hopefully
> |>>        you get the gist. )
> |>>        menu item at a time
> |>> 
> |>>        I will send Brian a comparison piece I wrote
> |>>        that compares how stuff gets done with each
> |>>        rig and maybe that will help him judge for
> |>>        himself.    It IS a valid inquiry!
> |>> 
> |>> 
> |>> 
> |>>> 
> |>>> The single tree menu in the Omni VII software is sweet.... you're
> |not trying to go thru layers of menu settings.
> |>> 
> |>> 
> |>> 
> |>>        Amen.   The only way to get that sort of
> |>>        convenience in setting features is to use
> |>>        the ARCP-590 software.   I really like the
> |>>        Omni VII simple menu when I am in a hurry
> |>>        like during a contest or when trying to catch
> |>>        rare DX before the pile ensues, and I find
> |>>        the Omni VII menu way easier to navigate in
> |>>        a hurry like that.  You have to use the ARCP
> |>>        software to get anything close to a single
> |>>        menu.   The 590 has like 87 menu items
> |>>        and the Omni VII about half that number
> |>>        with 18 or 19 showing at any one time.
> |>> 
> |>>        I like both radios, but the Omni is easier to
> |>>        run, I think, than the 590.
> |>> 
> |>> 
> |>>        The Omni VII buttons are larger, with more space
> |>>        between them.   The features you change most
> |>>        encircle the main display.  The concept is easy.
> |>>        You press the feature you want, and adjust it with
> |>>        the Multi Knob.  That is the basic plan... select
> |>>        and adjust.   If you want to adjust another feature,
> |>>        just select it by pressing its front panel button
> |>>        and adjust the value with the multi knob.
> |>> 
> |>>        Once you get onto that procedure, it all sorta works
> |>>        the same way.  (OK... there might be an exception
> |>>        or two, but that is the gist of the process.)
> |>> 
> |>> 
> |>> Just MY take.
> |>> 
> |>> ----------------------  K8JHR  -----------------------
> |>> 
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> |>>        
> |>> 
> |>> 
> |>> 
> |>> 
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