Barry, if you delay those relays, they won't follow the cw keying and they
won't clack.
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From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On
Behalf Of Barry N1EU
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 2:00 PM
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion's break in
Right, but he's asking specifically about the audible relay clacking.
Barry N1EU
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:51 AM, <d.e.warnick@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> On the Orion II:
>
> If you go to:
>
> MENUS , TX, there is an EXT T/T Delay1 (or Delay 2) and that
>
> "provides "hang time" for non-QSK linear amplifier"
>
>
>
> If you go to:
>
> MENUS, CW, There is a CW QSK Delay that "Allows the operator to slow the QSK
> operation in CW transmit. A higher value represents more transmit/receive
> delay between individual transmitgted CW characters. This delay control also
> controls the deelay of the QSK amplifier keying loops and the delay set for
> outputs at AMP KEY 1 and AMP KEY 2. The default value is 20%."
>
>
>
> The above is from my Orion II manual.
>
>
>
> The part that is a bit vague to me is the default of 20% in the CW menu. I
> should think that a delay of 0% would be true QSK, similar to my Omni VI+,
> but I have no way to measure it. I'm sure that John Henry can teoll us what
> value to set to have the same performance as the older Omni VI, and Corsair
> II had.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
> WA3F
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: "Barry N1EU" <barry.n1eu@gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 6:17:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion's break in
>
> Two relays?
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP <Rick@dj0ip.de> wrote:
>> That makes no sense at all.
>> One would think that it adjusts the hang time of the Linear's own relay, and
>> therefore the Orion's internal relay would have to stop clacking.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com]
>> On Behalf Of Barry N1EU
>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:08 AM
>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion's break in
>>
>> There IS an EXT T/R Delay setting in the TX Menu but it has no effect
>> on the keying relay clacking.
>>
>> Barry N1EU
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP <Rick@dj0ip.de> wrote:
>>> Guys, I may be wrong, but I seem to remember that there were TWO
>>> adjustments; one for the relay and one for the RX recovery. It's been over
>>> 5 years since I have owned an Orion, but I'm pretty certain it was that
>>> way. In any case, it would have to be one of the items on the TX menu.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Barry N1EU
>>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 1:40 AM
>>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion's break in
>>>
>>> Correct Floyd, the CW delay makes the receiver audio quiet but does
>>> nothing for the relay clacking in both the Orion and Orion II.
>>>
>>> 73, Barry N1EU
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Floyd Sense <floyd@k8ac.net> wrote:
>>>> An interesting question. I wonder if the Orion and Orion 2 differ in
>>>> this respect. On my Orion 2, I can use the CW delay to achieve
>>>> semi-break-in, but I still hear the same relay clacking away. I
>>>> expected to hear the relay only at the beginning and end of a
>>>> transmission, but that's not the case - it still follows the keying,
>>>> although the receiver is properly muted for the delay set with the CW
>>>> delay function. So, maybe Toshimi's desire to eliminate the relay noise
>>>> is not satisfied this way.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Floyd - K8AC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/13/2011 5:56 PM, Barry N1EU wrote:
>>>>> Menus - CW - CW QSK Delay
>>>>>
>>>>> start with 25% and increase/decrease as necessary
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Barry N1EU
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP<Rick@dj0ip.de>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Toshimi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can adjust the delay of the TR relay.
>>>>>> If you select a delay, then it is effectively semi BK and no longer QSK.
>>>>>> This was added to the rig after the initial release so it probably was
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> in the manual.
>>>>>> Maybe someone who owns an Orion can jump in and tell you exactly how to
>>>>>> adjust it. I have forgotten.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73
>>>>>> Rick, DJ0IP
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com
>>>>>> [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Toshimi Horie
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 11:32 PM
>>>>>> To: tentec@contesting.com
>>>>>> Subject: [TenTec] Orion's break in
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all. I am JE2UFF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This month, I got the Orion of used one from US.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just start operation with it. I can checked user manual, but not found.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So please tell me for everyone.
>>>>>> The Orion has semi break in mode? I have other rig. That's japanese one.
>>>>>> Normaly, japanese transceiver has two kind of break in operation mode.
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> semi and full break in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Orion do the CW mode, each mores code can switch the relay. It is
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> noisy. Is this normal specs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it has semi break in mode then the relay can switch for start and
>>>>>> finish
>>>>>> of two times. Very quaiet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks all
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