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Re: [TenTec] Being a Contrarian...."

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Being a Contrarian...."
From: "HUGHESRO" <ROGERH@realtracs.com>
Reply-to: ROGERH@realtracs.com,Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:30:23 -0500
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i AGREE. Just let this go. Life is ok. I got an idea. Lets talk about my 
anniversary of 10 years of having a heart transplant. I'm not doing to bad. But 
I love ham radio and it's really helped me thru this last 10 yrs as well as my 
faith. So if I get a new Orion, can this thread stop. OK??
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From: William Addams <wiladdamsham@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date:  Wed, 2 Aug 2006 05:29:53 -0700 (PDT)

>Urban myths.
>Facts are: 
>Doug Smith and Gary Barbour wrote the classic Orion.
> Doug Smith left TenTec under non-amicable terms.
>The Classic Orion had lots of lock up issues, a lot due to the DSP code 
>couldn't communicate well with the other microprocessors, and would lock up 
>the busses.
>Gary Barbour re-wrote ALL of the Orion II, mainly to free up processing time 
>so that the communications channels would not lock up anymore. Also due to the 
>fact that the chip was going obsolete, and then decided to add a color screen 
>and better filtering.
>
>Those are facts.
>They don't have a team of 100s doing engineering work, like Icom and Yaesu and 
>Kenwood do.
>They only have a couple of people in engineering that do design work, and only 
>a couple of people that do testing internally. They do a lot of their user 
>testing by having their service group and others take sets home and test on 
>the air.
>This is a "Ham" engineering team, who try to make the best products available 
>at a cost that most can afford. They are not a team of hundreds of engineers, 
>otherwise you would see more and more products coming out. This team of 
>engineers also has to deal with obsolete parts issues, problems in the 
>factory, answering hundreds of service questions posted by people who are 
>using the radio "in a different way" than anyone else on the planet.
>Being new to this, I would love to see a radio that has ALL bands available 
>for ALL modes, including 6m and 2m. Maybe that isn't possible, but it would be 
>nice to have something all rolled up into one.
>However, given that they are constantly getting barraged by arguments on how 
>NR should work, we may not see something "new" from them for quite some time. 
>Maybe the people on this board are part of the problem.
>A lot of people start yelling before they have found out that the problem is 
>really in their shack.Next time, ask if someone else has seen this, you will 
>be surprised, most problems are answered right on here, but people ignore the 
>answer, only to find out that later, the original answer by one of your fellow 
>hams was actually correct, and it was your mic, not your Orion SW.
>A lot of people praise the new NR scheme, and a lot of people condemn it. Some 
>call for them to make a menu item so that you can pick which way it works. 
>Imagine, taking the time to do this, takes away time from fixing other bugs, 
>and from introducing new things.
>So they have to weigh the benefits of the changes, and then weigh the 
>consequences of not having a new product that would compete with their 
>competitors on 6m, or on the internet, or ........
>I do not envy them.
>I just wish everyone would be more supportive, and not so immediately 
>condemnative.
>TT is a great company, best service my bud has ever seen, and I'm afraid that 
>some day they may decide that it is too much hassle to stay in the amateur 
>market, and go with nothing but commercial products. Afterall, commercial 
>probably pays the bills, and they have exacting specs on how things should 
>work. Whereas selling to the amateur market is like selling to a thousand 
>different customers with a hundred thousand different requirements, often 
>varying from day to day from the same person. So many times I've seen where 
>one person says something, then contradicts themselves the next week just to 
>keep an argument alive.
>Remember what you got into amateur radio for in the first place.
>Helping others learn more about it
>adventure
>working together.
>That is why I started into the hobby, but I could see some who would read this 
>list, and drop out because ... too much bs... it should be easier... the sure 
>don't live up to their credo...
>This will be my last post, as I too am getting disheartened for now.
>
>
>Grant Youngman <nq5t@comcast.net> wrote: > Doug Smith's leaving TT was NOT an 
>'urban myth'!
>
>
>But the notion that the Orion somehow died with him is.  Positively.
>Absurd.  Of course he left.  Last I heard he isn't the last living guy that
>knows stuff.  That he had the mojo and the rest is history -- that's the
>mythololgy, which has now become dogma.  If Gary B did do the Orion II
>single handedly (maybe that's just another piece of mythology), how many of
>the whiners (and I've been one, too, at times) could even come close?
>
>Come to think of it, this whole series of threads is absurd.  
>
>I don't understand why all the guys who think that they could do a better
>job, don't get together, throw in their savings accounts, and just build a
>radio.  Then we'll see.  Nothing is perfect for everyone.  Not the Orion, or
>the II, or the 7800 or the 9000 or ....  Nothing is perfect.
>
>The whole business is just filling up disk space in my DELETED folder,
>including this useless contribution.
>
>Grant/NQ5T
>
>
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