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Re: [TenTec] Hercules II problem

To: <jac.trademarks@tiscali.co.uk>,"Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Hercules II problem
From: "Donald Watters" <dwatters@ns.sympatico.ca>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:03:27 -0300
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John -

For interest, have you checked the SWR into a dummy load with
a thruline model 43 powermeter or other reliable wattmeter?   I
have found this meter excellent and often tells me things that the
rig's meter and others do not.  Again, just a thought.



161 -  Don

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JohnCrux" <jac.trademarks@tiscali.co.uk>
To: "Donald Watters" <dwatters@ns.sympatico.ca>
Cc: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Hercules II problem


> Interesting thought, but there is no indication of any impedance change
> external to the amplifier. Other bands via the same ATU are normal.
> The ATU matches both 10 and 12 to 1:1 and the Omni-V will happily run flat
> out. Turn on the Herc and its anybody's guess what will happen.
>
> I had exactly the same symptoms when I used my 50 ohm oil filled Cantenna 
> as
> load. Right now the dummy load is not cabled to the main antenna switch, 
> but
> I can soon re-connect it. I can also bypass the ATU, although that seems 
> to
> make no difference.
> Tricky ....................... but I still think it is most likely inside 
> the
> Herc circuitry.  Unless someone knows better, or you are right and there 
> is
> something amazing going on. Note that the actual antenna used seems
> irrelevant and the SWR shown on the ATU and on the external bridge appear
> very stable.
> 73  John G3JAG
>
> On Thursday 27 July 2006 21:24, Donald Watters wrote:
>> John -
>>
>> Are you absolutely positive that the load inpedance on 10/12M is an 
>> actual
>> 50
>> Ohms?  If the Z is low then excessive current will be drawn and the PS 
>> will
>> shut
>> down.
>>
>> Just a point and a possibility, OC.
>>
>> Don,  VE1BN
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "JohnCrux" <jac.trademarks@tiscali.co.uk>
>> To: <tentec@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 5:14 PM
>> Subject: [TenTec] Hercules II problem
>>
>> > Desperation time.
>> >
>> > I repaired my 9420 PSU and reset the four 25 amp rails at  exactly14 v
>> > under
>> > load. I repaired and re-aligned the Omni-V.
>> > Then I re-assembled the entire station, including the auto-atu. All
>> > inter-connecting/control cables are original TT.  My added 120 amp
>> > commercial
>> > ground bus wire connections linking everything are rock solid as are 
>> > the
>> > coax
>> > connections.
>> >
>> > For a few days there was no problem getting 500 watts from the Hercules
>> > II on
>> > any band 10-80m (not tested 160; no antenna at present.)
>> >
>> > That held good for a week or so.  Then a very old problem came back to
>> > haunt
>> > me. The Herc trips out ("fault") at around 150 watts out on 10m and at
>> > around
>> > 250 watts out on 12m. Switch off and back on, and all other bands work 
>> > as
>> > before. The SWR  remains as before on all meters ( Herc, ATU and 
>> > external
>> > SWR/power bridge. It is 1:1 or very close.
>> >
>> > But it does not always trip. Today after having it trip at 150 watts on
>> > 10m, a
>> > little while later it ran perfectly OK on 12m at 400 watts out.  I have
>> > also
>> > had 10m return to normal output from time to time.
>> > It is unpredictable, except that if it trips on 10 then will probably 
>> > do
>> > so on
>> > 12m.
>> >
>> > OK; I already swapped the 10/12m low pass filter in the Herc. The 
>> > Omni-V
>> > is
>> > working fine on all bands including 10/12m and gives normal output.
>> >
>> > My best guess is that this is maybe a mechanical problem with one or 
>> > more
>> > bandswitch relays. The front panel bandswitch is normally set to 
>> > "auto",
>> > but
>> > even if I manually select 10/12m, it makes no difference, so the switch
>> > is probably OK.
>> >
>> > The Herc manual indicates that it is not just a matter of the relays
>> > switching
>> > in that LPF for 10/12m. Other relay contacts appear to be used to 
>> > disable
>> > (short ?) other band filters, perhaps to avoid stray resonances in the
>> > unused
>> > circuits.
>> >
>> > Anyone seen this problem (including my friends at TT service, please !)
>> > and is
>> > there a solution ? If only I could pop the covers off the relays to 
>> > check
>> > the
>> > contacts .....   Surely someone has seen this ????
>> > Yes, I know it is no longer made, but the Herc is a super amplifier and 
>> > I
>> > have
>> > made many QSOs with it.  Just need to get 10/12m back in service
>> > reliably. 73   John   G3JAG
>> >
>> >
>> >
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