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Subject: | [TenTec] Orion - TT #218 1.8 Filter |
From: | Bill Tippett <btippett@alum.mit.edu> |
Reply-to: | tentec@contesting.com |
Date: | Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:39:06 -0400 |
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N0KHQ wrote: >I run 100% SSB and spend a lot of time on 75m. The use of the filter is absolutely remarkable. Man, what a difference. If there is any interfering stations that are close, engaging this filter wipes them out 100%. Inrad's entire article on Roofing Filters is worth reading, but here are some excerpts which apply to what you observed: Is an 8 pole filter necessary? How does a 4 pole filter compare? One difference between the two filters is insertion loss. For a 500 Hz filter this difference can be a difference of about 5 dB for a 9 MHz filter. The receiver overall gain should be kept fairly constant as filter bandwidths change to preserve the agc characteristics and to keep the S meter reading constant. Also, the receiver noise floor can suffer if there is a gain reduction close to the front end. We need to insert an amplifier or otherwise change the gain to make up for the extra filter loss when a narrow 8 pole filter is selected. This can reduce the dynamic range of the radio, as has been seen in the Orion performance numbers in the ARRL review. So 4 pole filters have an advantage, particularly for narrow bandwidths, even though the selectivity is not as good for signals falling down the skirts. There is less advantage in going to a wider filter such as a 2400 Hz bandwidth. For example, Inrad's 10 pole, 2400 Hz filter has an insertion loss of about 2.2 dB, while the 4 pole filter with the same bandwidth has a loss of 1 dB. The difference of 1.2 dB is small enough that it could be ignored and the 10 pole filter would provide better off-channel rejection. Thus for the SSB bandwidths a good 8 or 10 pole filter will outperform a 4 pole filter, but for the narrow bandwidths the simpler filter is best. http://www.qth.com/inrad/roofing-filters.pdf (pages 2 & 3) Bottom line for Orion roofing filters, 8 or 10 poles for SSB are best and 4 poles for CW are best, given the IMD problems introduced by the 500/250 configuration. George comments elsewhere in the article that most of the IMD rejection benefits from CW roofing filters are achieved at -30 dB and above on the skirts due to the fact that the following 3rd IF DSP filter can then handle any necessary remaining rejection. Of course if we could have a low insertion loss 8-pole 500 Hz filter, that would be ideal! Unfortunately such a filter violates the laws of physics. 73, Bill W4ZV _______________________________________________ TenTec mailing list TenTec@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/tentec |
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