I love it, and built with left handers in mind too. You all must have
missed that vfo tuning knob on the left side of the table. Too bad Yuri did
not put two of them in there, one for each VFO or do I mean each Receiver,
or maybe we need four knobs? The question I have is where is the carry
handle and the on/off switch? But, he did say it was a prototype, so there
is still hope. 73 bob de w9ge
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> 1. RE: Unveiling of DR1 (NJ0IP)
> 2. Re: An example of changing Orion firmware tomeetexpectations
> of the operator. (Dave Heil)
> 3. AOL PROBLEMS ??? (NJ0IP)
> 4. Re: RE: Jupiter firmware (Ken Brown)
> 5. An example of changing Orion firmware to meet expectationsof
> the operator. (Barry N1EU)
> 6. RE: An example of changing Orion firmware to
> meetexpectationsof the operator. (Bill Rowlett)
> 7. Re: AOL PROBLEMS ??? (Kc9cdt@aol.com)
> 8. Re: Why is the Jupiter better? (Charles Greene)
> 9. Re: Why is the Jupiter better? (Charles Greene)
> 10. Re: An example of changing Orion firmware to
> meetexpectationsof the operator. (Duane A Calvin)
> 11. Re: An example of changing Orion firmware to meetexpectations
> of the operator. (Joe Giacobello)
> 12. Re: AOL PROBLEMS ??? (Mike Hyder -N4NT-)
> 13. WTB...LDG tuner (George Osier)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:05:14 -0700
> From: "NJ0IP" <Rick@dj0ip.de>
> Subject: RE: [TenTec] Unveiling of DR1
> To: <tentec@contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <NIBBJJPNILNPGHFHFIJJAEIBCIAA.Rick@dj0ip.de>
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> Curious: the front panel has just one button (eject).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com]On Behalf Of WD4K
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 3:51 PM
> To: TenTec@contesting.com
> Subject: [TenTec] Unveiling of DR1
>
>
> Checkout the unveiling of the new K3BU DR1 prototype dream radio on the
K3BU
> website. This was announced on July 4th I think, but definitely on
> Contesting.com. This is supposed to replace the Orion as radio of choice?
> The picture is worth a thousand words, it does have a color display. 73,
> Tommy WD4K
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 05:15:33 +0000
> From: Dave Heil <k8mn@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] An example of changing Orion firmware
> tomeetexpectations of the operator.
> To: tentec@contesting.com
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>
> Phil Howlett wrote:
> >
> > We certainly do need something along these lines as the way the radio is
now
> > it is user vicious. Apparently no one at T-T is a serious DXer who has
ever
> > had the occasion to actually work DX with the various methods of DX
> > operating. As far as I'm concerned, T-T has really missed the boat with
> > their present user interface scheme. It would be so easy to correct if
some
> > minds could be changed. I've mentioned my feelings on this subject to
Scott,
> > Jack, and others and all I get is a response very similar to the one
others
> > received when the CW MOX issue ran rampant several months ago. It would
> > appear an act of God will be necessary to have anything done about the
user
> > vicious split issue with this radio. Thank goodness I don't need any DX
> > entity on SSB or CW or this radio would be on the floor and the Paragon
put
> > back on line. That radio was a pleasure to use in pileups, far superior
to
> > the Omni 6+ I had for several years and an order of magnitude superior
to
> > the Orion.
>
> You're ribbing us, right?
>
> The Paragon and Omni VI operations were some magnitudes different in
> operation? Working split frequency SSB or CW DX with the Orion is a
> difficult feat? Sheesh. I've owned all three and don't happen to
> agree.
> Maybe I'm not serious enough in my DXing as I fail to see a large
> problem.
>
> Perhaps you could recount some of the exotic methods of working DX since
> I'm only familiar with simplex and split frequency. The only variations
> on these schemes of which I am aware are: 1) call when the DX invites a
> call or 2) call like mad even when the DX is transmitting or when he is
> in QSO with another. I've heard rumors of a method which involves
> having computer software direct the rig and antenna to a particular
> frequency/mode in response to a 'cluster spot but I don't consider that
> DXing.
>
> Dave Heil K8MN
> Cameron, WV
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:14:54 -0700
> From: "NJ0IP" <Rick@dj0ip.de>
> Subject: [TenTec] AOL PROBLEMS ???
> To: <tentec@contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <NIBBJJPNILNPGHFHFIJJIEIBCIAA.Rick@dj0ip.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hey, every time I send a message to this reflector, I get an
"Undeliverable"
> message, apparently from AOL. Is everyone else getting this, or do I have
a
> problem here at my end?
>
> Tnx for the help.
>
> 73
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com]On Behalf Of NJ0IP
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 7:05 AM
> To: tentec@contesting.com
> Subject: RE: [TenTec] Unveiling of DR1
>
>
> Curious: the front panel has just one button (eject).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com]On Behalf Of WD4K
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 3:51 PM
> To: TenTec@contesting.com
> Subject: [TenTec] Unveiling of DR1
>
>
> Checkout the unveiling of the new K3BU DR1 prototype dream radio on the
K3BU
> website. This was announced on July 4th I think, but definitely on
> Contesting.com. This is supposed to replace the Orion as radio of choice?
> The picture is worth a thousand words, it does have a color display. 73,
> Tommy WD4K
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 20:57:07 -1000
> From: Ken Brown <ken.d.brown@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] RE: Jupiter firmware
> To: tentec@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <40EE41C3.1000207@verizon.net>
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>
> >
> >
> > I
> >recall that the DSP engine in the Jupiter really is the same unit that
was
> >used in the Pegasus.
> >
> I understood that the Pegasus and Jupiter are essentially the same
> radio, not just the same DSP engine. Jupiter has a "built in" user
> interface. Pegasus requires a 'puter.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:07:41 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Barry N1EU <n1eu@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [TenTec] An example of changing Orion firmware to meet
> expectationsof the operator.
> To: tentec@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <20040709120741.13492.qmail@web13207.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> The Orion certainly needs help to get the subreceiver
> quickly set up when you need to use it in dx'ing and
> contesting. I welcome the changes to "A>B".
> Alternately, a front panel button that would instantly
> transfer the "context" of the main receiver to the
> subreceiver could be used. This "context" could
> include mode, BW, PBT, AGC, etc.
>
> 73,
> Barry N1EU
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 12:25:11 +0000
> From: "Bill Rowlett" <kc4atu@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [TenTec] An example of changing Orion firmware to
> meetexpectationsof the operator.
> To: tentec@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <BAY14-F39zgrMMgwqV30001d1ac@hotmail.com>
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>
> What I get from this discussion is the inability of some users to relate
to
> TWO RECEIVERS instead of the normal two VFO's on ONE RECEIVER.
>
> Now, have them put two VFO's on each receiver for a total of four. Mind
> blowing.
>
>
> 73
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:10:31 EDT
> From: Kc9cdt@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] AOL PROBLEMS ???
> To: tentec@contesting.com
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Rick, I get the same thing...
> Lee
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:18:48 -0400
> From: Charles Greene <W1CG@QSL.NET>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Why is the Jupiter better?
> To: n9vx@myway.com, tentec@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20040709091046.01b2dd58@pop.east.cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> Jim,
>
> There is a big debate over Jupiter vs ICOM 746PRO, and as it is the Ten
Tec
> reflector, it is obviously biased toward the Jupiter. I am coming more to
> think the Jupiter would be a good rig for the club. Observing the
> operation of my K2 at field day, most operators didn't use the various
> options, like narrow band filters and DSP, so it is obvious the K2 is
> beyond most of them.
>
> One guy said buying the Omni-VI was a good option, but my Omni-VI didn't
> perform well at field day, as the display was not bright enough in the
> sunlight. Something like Larry's Yaesu - you couldn't read it during
> daytime. K2 was OK in that regard.
>
> I'm forward one of the comments.
>
> At 11:18 AM 7/7/2004, you wrote:
>
> >I have owned both the Jupiter and the IC-746PRO and would pick the
> >Jupiter. My mode of operation is ssb rag chew, so can not address cw,
> >contesting, digital modes and etc.
> >
> >The 746PRO does have digital filters on receive, like the Jupiter, and
you
> >can change the filter shape (sharp or soft), it has treble and bass EQ
> >control for transmit and receive, the transmit audio is very punchy using
> >compression without distorting the audio, you can change the transmit
> >bandwidth in 3 steps from 2.8k to 2.0k. This radio has a much clearer
> >display screen than the Jupiter (wish TT would take a look) and it has 6
> >and 2 meters. I personally would not use the free noisy (fan) power
> >supply. You would have the transmit failure problem to worry about.
> >
> >The Jupiter/Pegasus is the quietest receiver I have ever had, have had
the
> >FT-1000MP, TS-870, IC-746, IC-746PRO, IC-756PRO, IC-775DSP. The Jupiter
is
> >quieter with no NR than the 756PRO is with NR turned on. You can reduce
> >the receive filter bandwidth and the noise just rolls off of a weak
> >signal, on some dsp radios (TS-870) reducing the filter width has no
> >change on receiver noise. For my needs I would not want the antenna tuner
> >in the Jupiter, the Jupiter will put out full power at 3:1 or better, so
> >the tuner is just something else to hassle with.
> >
> >My present station is a Pegasus and a IC-756PRO. I love to try various
> >radios, but do not plan on ever not having a Jupiter or Pegasus.
> >
> >So... this is my opinion.
> >
> >Good luck, Joe N9VX
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:22:52 -0400
> From: Charles Greene <W1CG@QSL.NET>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Why is the Jupiter better?
> To: n9vx@myway.com, tentec@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20040709092149.01ca9c60@pop.east.cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> Sori Joe,
>
> Hit the wrong button
>
> W1CG
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:37:13 -0500
> From: Duane A Calvin <ac5aa@juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] An example of changing Orion firmware to
> meetexpectationsof the operator.
> To: tentec@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <20040709.084255.3532.3.ac5aa@juno.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Wow, what I don't get is how this comes back to 2 receivers vs. 2 VFO's.
> It's only a suggestion to improve the usefulness of a top notch radio.
> Today the setup is more clumsy than it needs to be. That's all we're
> discussing, folks. But, I think we've beat this dead horse into
> hamburger.
>
> 73, Duane
>
>
> On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 12:25:11 +0000 "Bill Rowlett" <kc4atu@hotmail.com>
> writes:
> > What I get from this discussion is the inability of some users to
> > relate to
> > TWO RECEIVERS instead of the normal two VFO's on ONE RECEIVER.
> >
> > Now, have them put two VFO's on each receiver for a total of four.
> > Mind
> > blowing.
> >
> >
> > 73
> >
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>
> Duane Calvin, AC5AA
> Austin, Texas
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:49:22 -0400
> From: Joe Giacobello <k2xx@swva.net>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] An example of changing Orion firmware to
> meetexpectations of the operator.
> To: tentec@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <40EEA262.6080107@swva.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> Duane, I'm using Carl's software with DX4WIN without any problem. No
> RTTY software though.
>
> 73, Joe
>
> Duane A Calvin wrote:
>
> >Hi Carl,
> > You're sure tempting me with your software! But what if I don't
> >have a pod and have no room on the desk for it? Can it be programmed to
> >some other rig key? I suppose it could be done from the PC, but I tend
> >to have the screen full of RTTY software (HAL DXP38 TNC) and logging
> >software (DX4WIN), so having yet another piece of software running gets a
> >bit clumsy in that situation.
> >
> > 73, Duane
> >
> >
> >On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 20:17:13 -0000 "Carl Moreschi" <n4py@earthlink.net>
> >writes:
> >
> >
> >>Duane,
> >>
> >>You are describing the kind of things that go well with a control
> >>program.
> >>My N4PY Orion control program allows you to define a remote pod key
> >>for
> >>"Up". To do what you describe, all you do is press the "Up" key
> >>followed by
> >>the "5" key. This will make VFO B be VFO A + 5 khz and make VFO B
> >>be the
> >>transmit VFO. Now, if you wish to listen to both sides of the DX
> >>pile, you
> >>can press the key you have defined as "DUAL" on the remote pod.
> >>This "DUAL"
> >>button will toggle the VFO B receiver off and on. I find this is a
> >>great
> >>way to work through split DX pileups.
> >>
> >>73,
> >>
> >>Carl Moreschi N4PY
> >>Franklinton, NC
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Duane A Calvin" <ac5aa@juno.com>
> >>To: <tentec@contesting.com>
> >>Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 7:46 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [TenTec] An example of changing Orion firmware to
> >>meetexpectations of the operator.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I appreciate the design point of having two receivers, not two
> >>>
> >>>
> >>VFO's, and
> >>
> >>
> >>>the potential flexibility that this provides us as users. This
> >>>
> >>>
> >>does
> >>
> >>
> >>>bring up the difficulty of how to manage the added complexity.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>For
> >>
> >>
> >>>example, as a DX'er, the thing I need in a rig to have an edge
> >>>
> >>>
> >>when the
> >>
> >>
> >>>DX suddenly says "up 5" is the ability to be there and be the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>first guy
> >>
> >>
> >>>he works there. With my Omni VI+, that meant punching in XIT and
> >>>
> >>>
> >>dialing
> >>
> >>
> >>>up 5 - very easy and fast. With the Orion, however, if I want to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>make
> >>
> >>
> >>>use of the 2nd RX for listening to the pile, it's more of a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>problem. I
> >>
> >>
> >>>punch A>B, then I have to remember to set TX to B, then I dial up
> >>>
> >>>
> >>5 on
> >>
> >>
> >>>the B VFO/receiver. Hopefully the mode, PBT and BW follow since
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I'll
> >>
> >>
> >>>also be listening on B to see where I am in the pileup (after all,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>it had
> >>
> >>
> >>>been set to a shortware AM broadcast station).
> >>>
> >>>I'd like to see a "quick split" function that is definable by the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>user to
> >>
> >>
> >>>do multiple things (perhaps activated by a 'long push' on the A>B
> >>>button). It might do the following:
> >>>
> >>> - Copy A settings to B (user selectable as to which
> >>>
> >>>
> >>additional
> >>
> >>
> >>>settings besides freq/mode)
> >>> - Set TX to B
> >>> - Optionally reset the headphone audio to a user defined
> >>>preference
> >>>
> >>>There could be a complementary function that works the other way
> >>>
> >>>
> >>-
> >>
> >>
> >>>copying from B>A on a long push and doing all the same functions
> >>>
> >>>
> >>but in
> >>
> >>
> >>>the other order (TX to A, etc.)
> >>>
> >>>What's important is how it will be used, and how to implement in a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>way
> >>
> >>
> >>>that brings an advantage to the user.
> >>>
> >>> 73, Duane
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 09:19:49 -0500 "Grant Youngman"
> >>>
> >>>
> >><nq5t@comcast.net>
> >>
> >>
> >>>writes:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>-- VFO's are not receivers --
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> I suspect that not everyone buys into the traditionalist
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>view of
> >>>>what switching VFOs ... uh .. receivers ... uh .. VFOs? what?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>I'm
> >>
> >>
> >>>>confused just thinking about it. :-)
> >>>>
> >>>>(It was good the way it was)
> >>>>
> >>>>Grant/NQ5T
> >>>>
> >>>>_______________________________________________
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Duane Calvin, AC5AA
> >>>Austin, Texas
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >--------------------------------------
> >Duane Calvin, AC5AA
> >Austin, Texas
> >
> >http://home.austin.rr.com/ac5aa
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> >
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:09:03 -0400
> From: "Mike Hyder -N4NT-" <mike_n4nt@charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] AOL PROBLEMS ???
> To: <tentec@contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <000901c465be$4bb289c0$687ba8c0@michaelnvnwk7g>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Me, too. I think the list admin checked and that email addy isn't in the
> subscribed list. Bet he's using a forwarding service and is subscribed
that
> way.
>
> Mike N4NT
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Kc9cdt@aol.com>
> To: <tentec@contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 9:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] AOL PROBLEMS ???
>
>
> > Rick, I get the same thing...
> > Lee
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>
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:13:55 -0400
> From: "George Osier" <gosier@twcny.rr.com>
> Subject: [TenTec] WTB...LDG tuner
> To: "Ten Tec" <tentec@contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <001e01c465be$f89dcfa0$d68f3a18@Alex>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hello All !!!!
>
> Anyone have a LDG autotuner thats looking for a new home ????? Looking for
> one in excellent condx .....
>
> Thanks !!!!
>
> George , N2JNZ
>
>
>
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