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Re: [RTTY] After the tough qso

To: David G3YYD <g3yyd2@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] After the tough qso
From: Ed W0YK <ed@w0yk.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 03:40:37 -0800
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This is an excellent suggestion (X-QSO).  It is easy with WriteLog.  Just log 
the QSO and when convenient, right-click it in the log.  Select 'Mark QSO as 
unclaimed' and it becomes an X-QSO line in the Cabrillo file.
For loggers without this feature I simply make a note on the QSO, either with 
the logger's note feature or on a noterpad I use during the contest for 
corrections afterward.  After creating the Cabrillo file I edit those QSO lines 
I want to be X-QSO.
73,Ed W0YK
-------- Original message --------From: David G3YYD via RTTY 
<rtty@contesting.com> Date: 2/17/18  1:09 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: 
rtty@contesting.com Subject: Re: [RTTY] After the tough qso 
Whether I log a potentially incorrect QSO or not depends on the contest scoring 
system. If there are no penalties for busted calls, incorrect SR and so forth 
then I will log it.

But if there are penalties for busted calls, etc then I will not log it. I will 
have tried to complete the QSO but if it does not conclude to my satisfaction I 
will not log it. Because I do not want to suffer a penalty. 

There is away round this and that is to log the QSO and mark it as X-QSO in the 
Cabrillo format. This means it is a check QSO and not one submitted for points 
so then the other guy does not suffer a NIL. You do not loose points either nor 
do you gain points. But how many contest logging programs allow for this to be 
done at the time of logging the Q? N1MM+ doesn't and that is the contest logger 
I have used for must be 2 decades now.

73 David G3YYD


-----Original Message-----
From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ed W0YK
Sent: 16 February 2018 19:58
To: Pierre Fogal; RTTY@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] After the tough qso

This is an excellent  question, Pierre.
I say log it.  If he didn't log it, then you will get a NIL.  But, if he did 
log it and you didn't  then he gets the NIL.
In a 50/50 situation like this, I take the risk of a NIL rather than put that 
on the other station.  I think its good sportsmanship. 73,Ed W0YK
-------- Original message --------From: Pierre Fogal <pierre.fogal@gmail.com> 
Date: 2/16/18  10:09 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: RTTY@contesting.com Subject: [RTTY] 
After the tough qso Hi folks,

I haven't been doing RTTY contesting all that long, and I have done what I can 
to read everything you sage folk out there write about exchanges.  So, I hope 
I'm keeping mine succinct enough!

What I'm not completing sure about, in the case of tough qsos (interrupted or 
non-existent print) are the expectations of verifying that it was actually 
completed and the other guy hasn't just given up.

For example

.... AB1CD  cq

VE3KTB VE3KTB

VE3KTB 599 991 991

AB1CD 599 001 001 VE3KTB

NR? NR?

001 001 001

Nr &%$#

001 001 001

@#$@#$ %4 &%$#

001 001 001

##$#$%^%$#

& KTB $%*( AB1CD CQ
The various %$&@ are to represent the non printable signals coming through.  I 
can recognize things like '57' as 'TU' but I don't know if he's got it or he's 
saying sorry ...

So far, I've logged it unless I have a really strong sense that they gave up.

73,
Pierre VE3KTB
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