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Re: [RTTY] 4-port serial card for Windows 8.1 results

To: "reflector RTTY" <rtty@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] 4-port serial card for Windows 8.1 results
From: "Dave Hachadorian" <k6ll.dave@gmail.com>
Reply-to: Dave Hachadorian <k6ll.dave@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 10:03:58 -0700
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I should also have stated in my prediction that, in the near
future,  2Tone will take over as the primary TX/RX interface,
replacing MMTTY, which will then be used for receive-only
windows.

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ

-----Original Message----- From: Joe Subich, W4TV
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 9:58 AM
To: rtty@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] 4-port serial card for Windows 8.1 results


It won't happen unless someone gets busy with the Open Source
MMTTY project and adds pFSK support to MMTTY and MMVARI.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 4/25/2014 12:53 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
I predict that, in the near future, G3YYD's "Improved
Pseudo-FSK
Circuit" will become the standard RTTY TX interface, rather
than
serial ports.
http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/RTTY/2014-03/msg00102.html

Laptop prices keep decreasing relative to desktops, and 45 baud
USB to Serial adapters are getting more scarce and pricey.

That's my prediction anyway, and I'm stickin' with it.

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


-----Original Message----- From: Don AA5AU
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:38 AM
To: rtty reflector
Subject: Re: [RTTY] 4-port serial card for Windows 8.1 results

Tom et al, the reason I went with the standard serial port
board
in my new PC is because most USB-to-serial adapters will not
handle 5-bit data. I think the Edgeport does, but most do not.

For years I have been running a laptop and a Sigi 4-port
USB-to-serial adapter for FSK/PTT and radio control on my
second
radio. In WriteLog, I used "Software generated FSK" and all
worked well until the BARTG 75 contest came up. WriteLog's
"Software generated FSK" does not support 75 baud RTTY.

In order to run SO2R in the BARTG 75 contests, I was forced to
run both radios on my one PC that had 5 legacy serial ports. I
do
not like SO2R on a single PC (too busy for me), so I'm looking
forward to doing my standard SO2R on two PC's during BARTG 75
on
Sunday!

73, Don AA5AU



________________________________
From: Tom Magarelli <wa2pni@verizon.net>
To: 'Dave Greig' <daven3buo@gmail.com>; "'Joe Subich, W4TV'"
<lists@subich.com>
Cc: 'RTTY Reflector' <rtty@contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [RTTY] 4-port serial card for Windows 8.1 results


I have been looking at this thread and I know I had purchased
a
Serial
Adapter

cable that went from USB 2.0 to two male serial connections.

It was recommended to me that it does work well,

I cannot confirm because I have not tried it yet. I have not
had
a need to
use it,

plus my mother board does have a serial header. I purchased
for
possible
future needs.

It is a Micro Connections product. Purchased on Amazon

On the package it says the CD includes drivers for Win7 - Win
8 - Vista - XP
and Mac

Here is a link:

Adapter Cable
<http://www.amazon.com/Micro-Connectors-Serial-Adapter-E07-162/dp/B0032325LE

/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1398438412&sr=8-10&keywords=usb+to+serial+port+adap

tor>



I just thought it was easier than installing a board. Just
another thought
or possibility.



Tom - WA2PNI





-----Original Message-----
From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
Dave Greig
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 10:33 AM
To: Joe Subich, W4TV
Cc: RTTY Reflector
Subject: Re: [RTTY] 4-port serial card for Windows 8.1 results



Joe,

Thank you very much for this information. I did not realize
8.1
had this
capability.





Thank You!

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On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <
<mailto:lists@subich.com> lists@subich.com> wrote:





Part of the problem with installing drivers in Windows 8/8.1
is the

new hybrid sleep (fast boot) capability.  In essence, Win
8/8.1 closes

any running applications then saves the operating system and
hardware

drivers image to disk just like hibernate.  When rebooting
that old

image is reloaded complete with all the drivers that were
previously

installed - even if the hardware changed.  If the previous
image had

drivers for hardware that was no longer present or drivers
that were

to be replaced, that conflict can cause page faults and other
(BSOD)

errors.



When installing new hardware the best thing one can do is to
hold the

shift key while shutting down Windows 8/8.1 before making any
hardware

change, install any new drivers, then restart Windows 8/8.1
before

trying to run anything new.  Shift-shutdown and restart both
force a

complete (fresh) reload of the operating system and all
drivers.



Another little known tip ... when installing new USB devices,
always

disconnect any previously connected devices and restart
before

connecting a new USB device for the first time.  This allows
drivers

for the new device to be installed with a "clean slate" and
prevents

older drivers and drivers from hardware no longer present
from

interfering with the installation of a new device.



73,



   ... Joe, W4TV





On 4/24/2014 11:36 PM, Don Hill AA5AU wrote:



Thanks to everyone who sent information on the serial cards
they were

using in their Windows 8 computers. I purchased a new Dell

3847 desktop PC with Windows 8.1 and it arrived this past
Monday.



On the serial card, I decided to go with a suggestion from
Joe, W4TV,

on the Syba model SD-PEX15011 for three reasons. One is that
Joe is

usually good about suggesting hardware (I purchased two USB
sound

cards he recommended and they work great), secondly because
this

particular 4-port board is the sister of the 4-port board I
have been

using in my XP Pro machine for many years, and thirdly
because of the

price. It is cheaper than any of the others. Although the

manufacturer is listed as Syba, it says "Best Connectivity"

on the box.



I purchased the SD-PEX15011 from Newegg on Monday and it
arrived today.




<http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124075>
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124075



I installed the board this evening using the instructions
that came

with the board. I'm sorry to report that nothing worked as
it
was

suppose to but in the end, for reasons I can't explain, all
four

ports magically started working.



The instructions said to install the board, turn on the
computer and

Windows would recognize it - it did not. Windows did not
like
the

board being installed and kept giving an error that it had
to
shut

down and restart because "page fault in non-paged area".



I decided to remove the board and install the driver on the
disk that

came with the board, then re-install the board. There were
Windows 8

drivers on the disk. Windows still did not like the board
being

installed. On occasion it would give me the "page fault"

error and restart, but I did notice that COM 1 was showing
up
and the

other ports were also showing in Device Manager but Windows
didn't

know what they were. I tried re-installing the driver but it
wasn't

working. I went online to find updated drivers. The drivers
on the

Syba website were actually older than the ones on the disk
and I

didn't see any for Windows 8. I did find a set of
instructions for

Windows 7 that suggested to "Disable Driver Signature
Enforcement". I

finally found instructions on how to do this in Windows 8.1
because

the instructions for "Disable Driver Signature Enforcement"
on

Windows 8 are totally different. I am finding out that
Windows 8.1 is

different than Window 8 in many ways.



Rebooting after "Disable Driver Signature Enforcement"
helped
keep

the PC from wanting to restart. I re-installed the drivers
as

Administrator but the ports did not show up in Device
Manager. So I

switched over to my non-Administrator account for no good
reason

other than to check the Device Manager; lo and behold, all
four ports

showed up in Device Manager.



I went ahead and tested all four ports and they all work for
radio

control and FSK/PTT. I restarted the computer several times
and have

not gotten the "page fault in non-paged area" error and
everything

seems very stable.



I don't know if I would recommend this board to anyone other
than to

someone who has time to play with it to get it to work. I
think it's

going to be OK, but if you want to spend a little more
money,
maybe

something like a StarTech would install better. I don't
know.



I will give it the smoke test in SPDX RTTY this weekend. I'm
just not

a fan of USB-to-serial adapters for FSK. Especially with the
BARTG 75

coming up on Sunday. Definitely need a legacy COM port for
75
baud on

a homebrew transistor FSK interface!



73, Don AA5AU









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