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Re: [RTTY] Comments by K4SBZ.. (JT65/JT9)

To: "rtty@contesting.com" <rtty@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Comments by K4SBZ.. (JT65/JT9)
From: Al Kozakiewicz <akozak@hourglass.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 21:41:45 -0500
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True story:

During the CQ WW or WPX phone contest last year,  a guy starts calling CQ DX 
on, maybe, 28.600.  Now, the frequency is already occupied by a non-US station 
running in the contest and there is a small pileup.  Several hams point out to 
him that the frequency is in use.  At which point the guy gets all huffy and 
starts complaining about how all the Extras sure are setting a bad example for 
the poor Generals seeing as how they were contesting on the DX calling 
frequency.  Forget for a minute, if you will, whether or not a proper protocol 
is being followed w/r/t operation on or around a "calling frequency".

It's an farging DX contest weekend for crying out loud!  There are literally 
hundreds of DX stations within earshot all over the band, and 10m is huge by HF 
standards.  How hard was it to work some DX???

There are only two explanations for this sort of behavior.  Stupidity (I cannot 
in good conscience use the word ignorance) or orneriness. Neither is especially 
flattering.

Al
AB2ZY

-----Original Message-----
From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Blaine
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 9:19 PM
To: rtty@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Comments by K4SBZ.. (JT65/JT9)

I really don't understand the guys complaining about contest activity. 
Especially when we are talking about traditions that have run for decades.

The fact is that there is generally NOT a contest of the same mode every 
weekend.  Yet the way guys talk you would think they only can operate on the 
weekend and those darn (your choice of mode) contesters are ruining the bands 
for the other ops.

If you want to chase CW DX and FD is on, then that weekend life is going to be 
tough.  If you want to chase JT69 or PSK when one of the Big 3 RTTY contests 
are on, life is going to be tough.  If you want to have your local rag chew net 
on 40m when a SSB contest is on, life is going to be tough.

They are a lot like the Macy's parade or any other traditional event.  If you 
insist on crossing THAT street on THAT day at THAT time, life is going to be 
tough.

But thanks to the magic of the contest calendar and the internet (or QST or a 
lot of other publications), it's easy to plan around these events and avoid 
stress!

73/jeff/ac0c
www.ac0c.com
alpha-charlie-zero-charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Cooper
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 4:13 PM
To: rtty@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Comments by K4SBZ.. (JT65/JT9)

Stan and the group,

I have to disagree with your statement about us being of a limited mindset!

My opinion is that most RTTY users will have tried, and probably use, many of 
the digital modes going.
Many of us have tried most of them that have been created, and some have 
lasted, some have not.

By contrast, many PSK users have NEVER tried anything else, and to an extent, 
this also applies to users of JT65.

I have worked many of the members of this forum on PSK, JT65, and other exotic 
modes, (including CW!), as many RTTY ops have been using RTTY since the days of 
the Creed, and have gradually changed over to computer based RTTY.
Many, and this incudes me, used various TU's that allowed us to try all of the 
then-current digital modes such as PacTor, AmTor and RTTY.
In the 80's, I had QSO's on all of these modes.
Some of that changed when MMTTY came along, as it was simply so much better at 
decoding RTTY.
We are also used to PC's and interfacing, so that is one reason why you will 
have better QSO match rates on LoTW with RTTY ops.

If you look at the cluster for any length of time, you will see loads of PSK 
spots marked as RTTY, simply because a lot of these folk simply do not 
understand the difference.
I've even seen JT65A marked as RTTY.

My main bug is why the JT65 group are so intent on hammering us RTTY ops during 
a contest, yet appear so quiet when there is a CW contest on.

HNY all

Phil GU0SUP


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