You know that a G station DOES change calls within different areas
of the UK.
*Not* when moving within England - which is equivalent to moving
within the continental 48 US states. Going among Scotland, Wales,
Guernsey, Northern Ireland, etc. is equivalent to going amongst
Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, Hawaii Alaska, Guam, etc.
If you want to insist on the proper designator for territories vs.
mainland, I'll grant you that although the FCC does not even require
someone who has received a territorial call to surrender it on
return to the mainland.
G, F and DL are also just a little bit smaller than the United
States.
Yes - in the case of the UK with about 10% of the amateur population
and a callsign pool (2,G,M, VP-VQ, VS, ZB-ZJ vs. AA-AL,K,N,W) just
as large. "*YOU* can afford to allow unilateral changes in prefix
when moving among territories and the mainland - the US can't afford
to "waste" 90% of its callsign allocation.
There are no penalties and nobody 'half a world away' trying to
change anything there. It's entirely your choice whether you enter a
contest and follow the rules.
Sure, you require someone to us a callsign other than the one assigned
by the regulator or they can't play in your sandbox. I did so several
years ago when I first moved from W8 to W4 and it's no fun increasing
the length of the call by 50% just to satisfy an arbitrary rule that
does not apply to *anyone* other than US stations.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 1/8/2013 7:34 PM, John GW4SKA wrote:
Joe,
You wrote:
No it's not ... tell me where a G has to change callsigns when moving
within England, or an F has to change callsigns when moving within
France, or a DL has to change callsigns when moving within Germany.
You know that a G station DOES change calls within different areas of
the UK.
G, F and DL are also just a little bit smaller than the United States.
*Otherwise* keep your nose out of US
regulatory matters and stop penalizing US stations.
Time for BARTG to stop trying to dictate licensing policy to the US
- *period*.
There are no penalties and nobody 'half a world away' trying to change
anything there. It's entirely your choice whether you enter a contest
and follow the rules.
Jay WS7I is almost right when he says:
BARTG pre-dates nearly every other contest and has been running a long
long time and they don't need to use another contest's rules nor to
modify it for stations who don't wish to abide by their rules.
Thanks Jay. Actually BARTG predates every other RTTY contest! Next
longest running is Volta which first ran 2 months after the first BARTG HF.
Cheers,
John
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@subich.com>
To: <rtty@contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 4:32 AM
Subject: Re: [RTTY] BARTG Sprint 2013
Likewise, although the FCC is a federal authority, it makes sense
that when you move from one call district to another that you get a
call sign that corresponds to the call district you now reside in.
10 call districts for the US is completely arbitrary ... initially
there were only 9! Some countries don't even use all the digits
in their callsigns.
This is the way it works with call signs everywhere else and its the
way a lot of people would like to see it again according to the
reaction I got from my original post on the subject.
No it's not ... tell me where a G has to change callsigns when moving
within England, or an F has to change callsigns when moving within
France, or a DL has to change callsigns when moving within Germany.
Likewise, although the FCC is a federal authority, it makes sense
that when you move from one call district to another that you get a
call sign that corresponds to the call district you now reside in.
It's the United States' FCC that made the decision. If you want to
go back to call districts meaning something - also go back to the
days when we could have multiple callsigns so we can get appropriate
calls for each call area. *Otherwise* keep your nose out of US
regulatory matters and stop penalizing US stations.
I played the game of using /4 when I first moved to Florida. I
decided I was not likely to move back to "8 land" and got a call
with the "proper" numeral but I would not do it again if I ever
happen to leave 4-land.
It is, after all, the decision of the US regulatory authority - not
some amateurs half a world away.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 1/7/2013 11:14 PM, Ken Alexander wrote:
Geez Bill, where are you getting this from? I was pretty careful to
keep my discussion about moving from one call district to another.
Nobody suggested 50 call districts or thousands based on counties, and
any discussion of speed limits is irrelevant here. You've taken this to
a ridiculous conclusion that only damages your credibility.
My comparison to drivers licenses when moving from state to state was
merely to point out that you had to get a new state-issued drivers
license if you took up residency in a new state. Likewise, although the
FCC is a federal authority, it makes sense that when you move from one
call district to another that you get a call sign that corresponds to
the call district you now reside in. This is the way it works with call
signs everywhere else and its the way a lot of people would like to see
it again according to the reaction I got from my original post on the
subject.
Ultimately, nothing is likely to change. As you say, one call will be
issued that's good for anywhere in the U.S.. It's just a shame to see
an orderly system (one that works so well everywhere else in the world)
trashed in the name of bureaucratic laziness and personal vanity.
73,
Ken Alexander
VE3HLS
On 2013-01-07 9:31 PM, Bill Turner wrote:
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 14:46:57 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
<snip>
You report any moves to another call district, just like you do with
your drivers license when you move to a new state, right?
REPLY:
Apples and oranges.
In the USA, different states have different rules of the road. In wide
open
Montana speed limits may be quite different from a more congested
eastern state.
Having a driver's license and different rules for each state makes
sense.
Not so for the FCC. The rules are nationwide and do not vary from one
part of
the country to another.
So let's take you point. I live in California and have a W6 call
(W6WRT, my
initials). Suppose I move to the 5th call area and I become W5WRT. Now
what
state am I in? Would you like the FCC to issue calls based on the
state? There
could be W01AAA through W50ZZZ I suppose. California was the 31st
state so I
could be W31WRT. Would that be better? There are some 3000+ counties
in the
USA. Why not have W2754XXX? Is that better? How about cities? Towns?
Villages?
Wide spots in the road?
As it is now, the FCC issues one call that is valid anywhere in it's
jurisdiction. Good enough I say.
Bill, W6WRT
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