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Re: [RTTY] DOS computer for improved RTTY reception?

To: Kok Chen <chen@mac.com>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] DOS computer for improved RTTY reception?
From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@subich.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:05:32 -0500
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 > Treat the I.F. filter as the "roofing filter" of your sound card --
 > use it only to keep loud QRM from clipping the sound card.  Let the
 > software filters handle all the detail filtering.

Only one addition ... use the IF filter to keep loud adjacent QRM
from "blocking" your system by activating the transceiver AGC and
reducing system gain to the point that any desired weak signal is
pushed into the noise floor.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 1/19/2011 10:57 AM, Kok Chen wrote:
> On Jan 18, 2011, at 1/18    10:04 PM, Jim W7RY wrote:
>
>> Sounds like you need some help learning to run MMTTY!  It works
>> wonderfully!
>
> There are many who are not 100% successful when they move from a TU of
> a TNC to a sound card based software modem.
>
> The following are my opinions:
>
> The first thing and probably the most important thing is to make sure
> that (1) the sound card is getting adequate sound and (2) the sound
> card never clips.
>
> There is a happy medium between these two states.  If (1) is not
> satisfied, you will never be able to copy weak signals and if (2) is
> not satisfied, you will probably only be able to copy the strongest of
> signals and at the same time get no protection from any QRM rejecting
> filter in the software.
>
> If the sound card ever clips, even slightly (like pregnancies, there
> is no such thing as "only slightly clipping"), the software filters no
> longer work as filters.
>
> The easiest way to get a "first cut" is to find a program that has a
> spectrum display.  Watch the sound card noise floor with the rig
> turned off.  The spectrum display should be showing the noise floor of
> the sound card.  Now turn on the rig.  The noise floor should rise.
> If it does not rise, you don't have enough audio feeding the sound
> card and need to do something pronto about fixing the situation.
> Monitor strong stations and make sure it does not clip.  There usually
> is some "VU Meter" in the software that warns you when that happen.  I
> don't use Windows and cannot recommend a program, but software modems
> such as cocoaModem has a spectrum display built in, that has enough
> dynamic range to help you to make such adjustments.
>
> Getting a noise floor rise of 10 dB is probably a good stating point.
> A 3 dB rise means that the noise floor of your rig is the same as the
> noise floor of the sound card.  If the rise is more than 10 dB, you
> are just wasting the dynamic range of the sound card.
>
> If you can't get a noise floor to rise by 10 dB and still keep strong
> stations from clipping the sound card, the sound card does not have
> sufficient dynamic range for your rig, and you will need some kind of
> adjustment to "ride the gain." Either a digital attenuator in the
> sound card, or an analog pot.  Some sound cards don't have a digital
> attenuator, or they are only good for 12 dB, in which case you will
> need external pots or the use of the RF attenuator of the rig.
>
> Typically even cheap sound cards today have more than 85 dB of dynamic
> range, so if you take away the 10 dB of noise floor excess, you still
> end up with 75 dB of total dynamic range.  This should be sufficient
> for many rigs, especially if you adjust the AGC of your rig properly.
> Even if the rig advertises 100 dB of dynamic range, it does not mean
> that the line output has 100 dB worth of dynamic range.
>
> Some other things to observe are things like filtering.  If the
> software already has a matched filter, do not turn on the rig's twin-
> passband filters (or whatever they are called).  The software's
> matched filter should already have optimized for the signal and any
> further change of filter shape will ruin the copy.  For that matter,
> many narrow I.F. filters have terrible group delays when operated
> anywhere even near the skirts of their filters.  Our own Jeff AC0C has
> done some experiments on group delays of roofing filters.  This is why
> there is the common observation that when there is a weak signal, it
> is better to widen the filter for better copy -- you are both letting
> in more keying sidebands and also cleaning up the group delay
> characteristics when you do that.
>
> Treat the I.F. filter as the "roofing filter" of your sound card --
> use it only to keep loud QRM from clipping the sound card.  Let the
> software filters handle all the detail filtering.  If the software is
> written by someone who understands RTTY, its filtering will be
> superior to the ones in the rig -- as long as the sound card never
> clips.
>
> Take care of those items, and a good software demodulator will wipe
> the floor with the best hardware TU/TNC/Modem (yes, the ST-8000
> included).
>
> Be sure to follow good audio practices.  Check for ground loops (since
> those can really affect the noise floor).
>
> 73
> Chen, W7AY
>
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