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Re: [RTTY] Updated AA5AU RTTY Contest Notes - XE and WPX contests

To: Kok Chen <chen@mac.com>, "'RTTY'" <RTTY@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Updated AA5AU RTTY Contest Notes - XE and WPX contests
From: 7L4IOU <ncb02761@nifty.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 01:05:10 +0900
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Hello Chen san

Thanks for your comment.

By MMTTY-ML of JA, 
I received the lecture of DSP from Mako-san and friends. 
but I did not understand well. 
Your comment gives useful hints. 
I will try again. 

73, Hisami 7L4IOU

>On Feb 16, 2005, at 6:28 AM, 7L4IOU wrote:
>
>> I discussed with Hal JF1PJK and Terry JA7IC
>> about 756PRO Twin Peak Filter.
>
>By the way, I wasn't sure if Don got his "turn the RF gain down" hint 
>from Hisami-san, but that is a very good general advice for everybody 
>using internal DSP on _any_ rig.
>
>The reason is that when the A/D converter of a DSP unit is saturated, 
>you will no longer get the frequency response of the filter that you 
>had originally designed it for.
>
>The same thing occurs when using an external A/D such as a sound card.  
>But with sound card software, you can include a "VU meter" that gives 
>you a clue that the A/D is clipping.
>
>Another comment on dual-peak input filters.  If you are already using a 
>"matched filter" in the demodulator, using a dual peak filter at the 
>input could degrade copy.  RITTY for example, uses matched filters.  
>The better modems that appeared on the analysis which Alex VE3NEA 
>posted earlier are also probably using matched filters.
>
>Using a double peak filter is not the same as using a matched filter.  
>It kinda gets you half-way there, i.e., it is better than a flat 
>filter.
>
>With a real matched filter, the input of the slicer sees is triangular 
>waveform.  It is the peak of the triangles that gives the slicer that 
>fractional better dB of SNR which gives you copy on the marginal 
>signals.  I suspect that if you were to look at the slicer of a 
>non-matched filter modem, but using a twin peak filter ahead of it, you 
>will see some preemphasis at the peaks too, just that it is not a pure 
>triangular waveform.
>
>73
>Chen, W7AY
>
>P.S.  If you are using PSK31, it is also a good idea to turn the RF 
>gain down (or apply attenuation) when there is a loud station in the 
>passband.  You will be able to notice that the louder stations suddenly 
>have better IMD and are clobbering the weaker stations less.  
>Basically, IMD from the front-end of your rig.  This is also a problem 
>with RTTY if there are more than one loud station under the roofing 
>filter of the rig -- so the comment applies even if you're using a 
>narrow IF filter.
>
>Since the mark and space do not overlap in an RTTY station, there can 
>be no IMD from a single station.  But during WPX, I had captured the 
>spectrum of a loud station that had a small IMD component precisely 170 
>Hz away from his mark at a little over 20 dB down.  It is possible that 
>multipath was causing a mark/space overlap (I have no other explanation 
>- a front end filter that has some group delay would also do that but 
>mine should, I think, not).  Unfortunately, I only saw this spectrum 
>afterwards, or I would have recorded the signal itself for a better 
>look at the phenomenon.
>

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