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Re: [RFI] k SolarEdge's "improved" system?

To: "'KD7JYK DM09'" <kd7jyk@earthlink.net>, <rfi@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] k SolarEdge's "improved" system?
From: <nlsa@nlsa.com>
Reply-to: nlsa@nlsa.com
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2023 07:02:22 -0500
List-post: <mailto:rfi@contesting.com>
Kurt -
You may be correct but we'll never know unless someone inside SolarEdge speaks 
out.
Don't overlook the economic aspect.  A solution to RFI might exist but it's 
more costly than SolarEdge wants to accept.  Hams are a tiny part of their 
market.
W9IP

-----Original Message-----
From: RFI <rfi-bounces+nlsa=nlsa.com@contesting.com> On Behalf Of KD7JYK DM09
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2023 1:58 AM
To: rfi@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RFI] k SolarEdge's "improved" system?

On 2/7/2023 18:55, NA6MB Mike wrote:
> They have been “working on” a new system / quieter system for several years 
> now!

When I worked in prototyping, we had a fellow, that designed switching mode 
power supplies.  From idea, to design, to completed project, was about three 
months, and most of that was waiting for others with monstrous backlogs.  In 
reality, it took about a week for him to come up with a design.  That was one 
guy, 23+ years ago, and having to hire out for assembly, compliance testing, 
and certification.

I recall one time when an on-board supply didn't pass, another fellow had to 
come up with a patch, and instructions for me to build/verify before sending it 
to the manufacturer.  That took about five hours, three before lunch, two 
after, and about a half-dozen attempts.  Once verified, the fellow grabbed the 
modification sheet and ran out of the lab.  I heard no more, the supply was 
perfect.

I'd imagine, nowadays, with the personnel, and resources of an average sized 
company, much more than a week or two for a solution, maybe a month at the 
outside, with most of that just standing around, is purely jerking people 
around, waiting for someone else's problem to go away.

A fellow asked earlier about the model, or information regarding a new quiet 
system.  It hardly matters.  If quiet, then all new ones will be quiet from the 
first quiet new build onward, the problem will no longer exist.  If an old one 
isn't, the replacement will be quiet, once the manufacturer is notified of an 
issue, as all they will have on-hand is quiet replacement units.

Should a quiet system actually exist, perfect, problem solved- FOREVER.

Quiet modules won't be back-engineered into RFI spewing problematic garbage, 
and noisy units will fail, or get swapped out upon notification, so, 
ultimately, in the end, RFI silence.

I wouldn't hold my breath, rely on it, or even imagine there being a valid 
solution, or it would have existed within days, to weeks of the issue coming 
up, and, so far, based on comments in the forums, as recently as the last one, 
solar edge has had RFI problems since their inception.  If you have solar edge 
based RFI, and had just one guess as to why, you'd almost certainly be right:

The issue exists, because a solution does not.

Kurt
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