This light quest; I don't understand why I'm the only person actually doing
something instead of complaining. There's the problem, people complain but
don't actually investigate, instead complain with no resolution. I will
re-iterate, everything electrical causes RFI, even the SUN. HF black outs
caused by solar … SUN.
Just because something is written doesn't mean it's fact or true. Get
involved and ask the right people, stop complaining.
73,
Mike KF5YUB
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> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:39:02 -0700
> From: Dave Cole <dave@nk7z.net>
> To: rfi@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RFI] RFI Digest, Vol 198, Issue 19
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> Mike,
> I can't seem to locate any reference to FCC Part 15 at the link
> provided, can you point me at the FCC certified info on their web site
> please?
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Technical Specialist
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>
> On 7/29/19 8:37 AM, Mike Pansini wrote:
> > Greetings,
> > To direstly answer the LED growing lights, find a company that is FCC
> > compliant and has proof of FCC as well as all the safety RoHS etc... Ask
> > about their return policy.
> > After reading a thread from FCC about LED grow lights, I began to
> question
> > yard and street lights as well. I talked with the FCC regarding the "grow
> > LEDs" causing interference. That's a fuzzy situation is about the answer
> I
> > got. Clearly, I was told, if something is FCC certified, either a
> sticker,
> > pamphlet, other FCC paperwork is required by the FCC to accompany the
> > product. I think it's a lot of money to certify something and not display
> > proof, be ware!! I tried a couple "FCC certified" LEDs only to find
> > problems with one manufacture stating "FCC" but no proof of FCC, and
> broken
> > electrical parts, or the product is not in compliant with FCC. They did
> > cause about a S-5, and S-3 QRN and that's not good for hearing weak
> > signals.
> > Look up *MORSEN* *Lighting*,* they are FCC certified*, and supply that
> > proof in the paperwork supplied with their products. They do cause slight
> > QRN but may be an S-1 or less I found. I hope this helps you and your
> wife
> > have fun with your hobbies at the same time. I am growing about 50 Rare
> > Hungarian Paprika Peppers, some two Habaneros and two Serrano peppers. I
> > grow bare root trees (Arbor Day Foundation), getting them ready for
> > outdoors...Golden Raintrees, Crape Mertyle bushes, Nanking Cherry bushes
> > (finally made Nanking Cherry Jelly and syrup), Bodark tree, Passion
> fruit,
> > (enclosed porch) Rubber plants, Ponytail Palm tree.
> >
> > https://www.morsenled.com/ <https://www.morsenled.com/>
> >
> > 73,
> > Mike KF5YUB
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 11:00 AM <rfi-request@contesting.com> wrote:
> >
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 21:09:50 -0500
> >> From: Kim Elmore <cw_de_n5op@sbcglobal.net>
> >> To: "rfi@contesting.com" <rfi@contesting.com>
> >> Subject: [RFI] LED Grow Lights
> >> Message-ID: <e76a5508-0cc1-f454-7061-c00bb023b8a2@sbcglobal.net>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> >>
> >> My Wife enjoys starting garden plants form seed indoors and, up until a
> >> few days ago, used a 175W metal halide lamp for the purpose. It used and
> >> electronic ballast that, sadly, has bitten the dust. A new ballast is a
> >> bit over half the cost of a much brighter and efficient LED grow light.
> >> But I'm concerned about RFI since it almost certainly uses a switching
> >> supply. Does anyone have any direct knowledge of quiet LED grow lights
> >> in the "1000W" category. (I don't know where that term comes from, but
> >> these tend to be rated at ~165 W power usage.)
> >>
> >> Kim N5OP
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Kim Elmore, Ph.D. (Adj. Assoc. Prof., OU School of Meteorology, CCM, PP
> >> SEL/MEL/Glider, N5OP, 2nd Class Radiotelegraph, GROL)
> >>
> >> /"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in
> >> practice, there is." //??? Attributed to many people; it???s so true
> that
> >> it
> >> doesn???t matter who said it./
> >>
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> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 18:26:08 +0000
> From: David Eckhardt <davearea51a@gmail.com>
> To: Mike Pansini <kf5yub@gmail.com>
> Cc: Rfi List <rfi@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [RFI] RFI Digest, Vol 198, Issue 19
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> Just a reminder of practices from China:
>
> Just because the product may carry the proper 'graffiti' on the regulatory
> label (required for all Home and Small Office electronics - FCC Class B),
> does not mean any attention has been paid to design, testing and approvals
> for EMC and Safely. I have tested and rejected many, if not most,
> products (mostly from China and even some from the US) that adhere to this
> scenario. Printing and applying labels is cheap: "How many labels do you
> need?". Designing, testing, and approving products for EMC and Safety is
> expensive (between $3K TO $30K on up, depending on complexity). Safety is
> not necessarily required in the US. However, to justify the CE mark (N O
> T standing for China Export ! ! ! ! ! ! ), both safety and EMC must be
> conducted by an approved body. Most of us know this. However, because of
> the example set by the Chinese, many legitimate US suppliers are taking a
> similar approach weighing cost against risk and reputation. Most get away
> with the practice. A very few do not.
>
> *Bottom Line:* Don't take the presence of the the proper 'graffiti' on the
> regulatory label as gospel. Request the documentation to justify what is on
> the label. Read the report in total to verify it isn't assembled from
> multiple and non-related equipment and reports (another common practice
> from China).
>
> Been there. Done that. Experienced all of the above (and then some).
>
> Dave - W?LEV
> EMC Design & Test, LLC
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 3:37 PM Mike Pansini <kf5yub@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> > To direstly answer the LED growing lights, find a company that is FCC
> > compliant and has proof of FCC as well as all the safety RoHS etc... Ask
> > about their return policy.
> > After reading a thread from FCC about LED grow lights, I began to
> question
> > yard and street lights as well. I talked with the FCC regarding the "grow
> > LEDs" causing interference. That's a fuzzy situation is about the answer
> I
> > got. Clearly, I was told, if something is FCC certified, either a
> sticker,
> > pamphlet, other FCC paperwork is required by the FCC to accompany the
> > product. I think it's a lot of money to certify something and not display
> > proof, be ware!! I tried a couple "FCC certified" LEDs only to find
> > problems with one manufacture stating "FCC" but no proof of FCC, and
> broken
> > electrical parts, or the product is not in compliant with FCC. They did
> > cause about a S-5, and S-3 QRN and that's not good for hearing weak
> > signals.
> > Look up *MORSEN* *Lighting*,* they are FCC certified*, and supply that
> > proof in the paperwork supplied with their products. They do cause slight
> > QRN but may be an S-1 or less I found. I hope this helps you and your
> wife
> > have fun with your hobbies at the same time. I am growing about 50 Rare
> > Hungarian Paprika Peppers, some two Habaneros and two Serrano peppers. I
> > grow bare root trees (Arbor Day Foundation), getting them ready for
> > outdoors...Golden Raintrees, Crape Mertyle bushes, Nanking Cherry bushes
> > (finally made Nanking Cherry Jelly and syrup), Bodark tree, Passion
> fruit,
> > (enclosed porch) Rubber plants, Ponytail Palm tree.
> >
> > https://www.morsenled.com/ <https://www.morsenled.com/>
> >
> > 73,
> > Mike KF5YUB
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 11:00 AM <rfi-request@contesting.com> wrote:
> >
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> > >
> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > > 1. LED Grow Lights (Kim Elmore)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 21:09:50 -0500
> > > From: Kim Elmore <cw_de_n5op@sbcglobal.net>
> > > To: "rfi@contesting.com" <rfi@contesting.com>
> > > Subject: [RFI] LED Grow Lights
> > > Message-ID: <e76a5508-0cc1-f454-7061-c00bb023b8a2@sbcglobal.net>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> > >
> > > My Wife enjoys starting garden plants form seed indoors and, up until a
> > > few days ago, used a 175W metal halide lamp for the purpose. It used
> and
> > > electronic ballast that, sadly, has bitten the dust. A new ballast is a
> > > bit over half the cost of a much brighter and efficient LED grow light.
> > > But I'm concerned about RFI since it almost certainly uses a switching
> > > supply. Does anyone have any direct knowledge of quiet LED grow lights
> > > in the "1000W" category. (I don't know where that term comes from, but
> > > these tend to be rated at ~165 W power usage.)
> > >
> > > Kim N5OP
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Kim Elmore, Ph.D. (Adj. Assoc. Prof., OU School of Meteorology, CCM, PP
> > > SEL/MEL/Glider, N5OP, 2nd Class Radiotelegraph, GROL)
> > >
> > > /"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in
> > > practice, there is." //??? Attributed to many people; it???s so true
> that
> > > it
> > > doesn???t matter who said it./
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> --
>
> *Dave - W?LEV*
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