FCC no longer has the resources or drive tigntning or even enforce the
present rules. OET has been gutted. FCC is nothing but a bunch of paper
pushers and lawyers at this point. Don't you wish we could designate our
tax monies to specific purposes? I'd certainly volunteer what I pay to
bolster OET! Ever since Cangress slapped their hands for dragging their
feet on making widely available Internet, its been a downhill slide. Then
ARRL took them to court over the bogus BPL measurements they made.
Dave - WØLEV
On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 6:54 AM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) <dave@nk7z.net> wrote:
> I don't know why, but that bothers me, and it seems like a lessening of
> the rules, as opposed to what I think should be a tightening of the rules...
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> https://www.nk7z.net
>
> On 03/20/2018 07:45 PM, David Eckhardt wrote:
>
>> Yep. Correct. Only in the User's Manual.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 1:10 AM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) <dave@nk7z.net <mailto:
>> dave@nk7z.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the info Dave... I saw, or heard someplace that the FCC
>> no longer requires a mark on the device, but just in the book...
>> Have you heard anything about this? I can't remember where I heard it.
>>
>> 73s and thanks,
>> Dave
>> NK7Z
>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>
>> On 03/20/2018 01:25 PM, David Eckhardt wrote:
>>
>> Only the FCC logo is REQUIRED to be on the device if it is Class
>> B, home
>> and small office. The statement and other regulatory
>> information, more
>> times than not, is contained in the 'User's Manual'. Most have a
>> regulatory section devoted to this kind of stuff. If there is
>> no FCC logo
>> on the product, assume it is either Class A (Industrial) or the
>> supplier
>> doesn't know much about the regulatory world and required
>> markings (no
>> attehtion to EMC/RFI). This is based on some 30 years of doing
>> EMC/RFI for
>> a living. What I write is from experience. When we had a real
>> FCC, things
>> were very different!!!!
>>
>> If it is from China or the PacRim, just assume it has not been
>> tested nor
>> any attention paid to EMC/RFI. I have read
>> many,.....many,.....bogus
>> 'reports' on Chinese products, many of which are assembled from
>> other
>> products and piece mealed from other reports and really don't
>> even apply.
>> I've also experiencef many, . . . . many, . . . . . instances
>> of false
>> labeling from China.
>>
>> Bottom line: 1) When you shop for something, take a battery
>> operated
>> radio with you and request a test of the item.
>> 2) It's hard to find otherwise, but don't
>> buy if the
>> electronics or products are 'Made in China".
>> 3) Don't buy if in the inttruction manual
>> or posted on
>> the product, "Made of Foreign and Domestic Parts". That's a
>> license for Chinese switchers with,
>> again, no
>> attentioin paid to EMC/RFI.
>>
>> However, the biggies like Apple and the like know the game and
>> are usually
>> to be trusted (except for their wall warts).
>>
>> I realize all this reads rather negative, but its reality these
>> days! Just
>> believe me ! ! !
>>
>> Dave - WØLEV
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 7:40 PM, Leonard Halvorsen
>> <lhalvors@pppl.gov <mailto:lhalvors@pppl.gov>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Has everyone come to the same conclusion...
>> "*...**IF* you can find them." ???
>>
>> [RFI] LED Bulb noise Eleta E12
>>
>> I read a while ago that to avoid, or at least mitigate to
>> great extent,
>> interference, an RF noise source must meet FCC standards for
>> a "Class B"
>> device. What I read stated it was defined in Part 17 (it
>> seems to be Part
>> 15 instead; possibly a typo) of the FCC rules, but I found
>> many references
>> to it in this *official* 120-page pdf document
>> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&;
>> cd=1&ved=
>> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&;
>> cd=1&ved=>
>> 0ahUKEwjgprG4lLPZAhVHulMKHQF5AQQQFggoMAA&url=https%3A%2F%
>> 2Fwww.gpo.gov
>> <http://2Fwww.gpo.gov>%2Ffdsys%2Fpkg%2FCFR-2009-title47-
>> vol1%2Fpdf%
>> 2FCFR-2009-title47-vol1-part15.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1Op9mrNNvD_
>> YdVp_5mAmKU>.
>> This passage on page 23 states what manufacturers must put
>> on such
>> devices..
>>
>> (b) For a Class B digital device or peripheral,
>> the instructions furnished the
>> user shall include the following or
>> similar statement, placed in a prominent
>> location in the text of the manual:
>>
>> NOTE: This equipment has been tested and
>> found to comply with the limits for a Class
>> B digital device, pursuant to part 15 of the
>> FCC Rules. These limits are designed to provide
>> reasonable protection against harmful
>> interference in a residential installation.
>> This equipment generates, uses and can radiate
>> radio frequency energy and, if not installed
>> and used in accordance with the instructions,
>> may cause harmful interference
>> to radio communications. However, there is
>> no guarantee that interference will not occur
>> in a particular installation. If this equipment
>> does cause harmful interference to
>> radio or television reception, which can be
>> determined by turning the equipment off and
>> on, the user is encouraged to try to correct
>> the interference by one or more of the following
>> measures:
>> —Reorient or relocate the receiving antenna.
>> —Increase the separation between the equipment
>> and receiver.
>> —Connect the equipment into an outlet on a
>> circuit different from that to which the receiver
>> is connected.
>> —Consult the dealer or an experienced radio/
>> TV technician for help.
>>
>> I tried to locate devices that adhered to this at places
>> like Home Depot
>> and Lowes, but was unsuccessful.
>>
>> This 7-page pdf document
>> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&;
>> cd=1&ved=
>> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&;
>> cd=1&ved=>
>> 0ahUKEwjSsf7jl7PZAhWStlkKHQtWCB0QFggyMAA&url=https%3A%2F%
>> 2Fwww.cableorganizer.com
>> <http://2Fwww.cableorganizer.com>%2Fimages%2Fkensington%
>> 2Fmicrosaver-alarm-lock%2FFCC-rules.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2kXOZ71Vpq
>> TqByfN3bb6HO>
>> attempts to abbreviate and interpret the legalese above.
>> In it is this
>> passage on page two...
>>
>> Two levels of radiation and conducted emissions limits for
>> unintentional
>> radiators are specified in FCC Part 15 Subpart B.
>>
>> The two levels are Class A digital devices, the higher less
>> strict limits,
>> and Class B digital devices, the lower more strict limits.
>>
>> Manufacturers are encouraged to meet the Class B digital
>> device limits.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, *the key* seems to be to find devices that meet "Class
>> B" standards ...
>> *IF* you can find them.
>> If they are made someplace in the Far East, that is
>> probably impossible.
>> Compliance costs are probably too high, and most people
>> probably don't
>> care.
>> And if you can find them, they are probably expensive.
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