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Re: [RFI] Leased Solar Panels: Operator Responsibility?

Subject: Re: [RFI] Leased Solar Panels: Operator Responsibility?
From: "Dave Cole (NK7Z)" <dave@nk7z.net>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 19:05:12 -0800
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Certainly sounds like it.  Have you written Laura Smith regarding this?

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 11/14/2017 06:52 PM, Mike Kirkland wrote:
Two on-site visits by an FCC enforcement agent that verified the interference. Notice of violation written to SolarCity and solaredge. Notice of violation disappeared and was never published in the federal registry.

I don't think this is an issue of accurate reporting.

I think this is an issue of money and power.

Basic law of nature them big, you small.

On Nov 14, 2017 6:47 PM, "Dave Cole (NK7Z)" <dave@nk7z.net <mailto:dave@nk7z.net>> wrote:

    Respectfully, has everyone reporting RFI to the FCC done their
    homework?  Please don't get the idea I am criticizing here, I am
    not, just adding a bit more information to the discussion.

    Things added to your RFI log like everyone you have spoken too, what
    you said, what they said, their names, signal reports,  any
    recordings, the exact process used to pin things down to the
location etc., presented to the FCC in clean, clear written form. Anything less than that and the process slows...

    I had a few issues with grow operations over the years, and the FCC
has been johnny-on-the spot to send a letter(s) to the offender(s). In both cases, the issue resolved instantly after the letter.

    I spent a lot of time in each case documenting every step, (around a
    year on one case), doing everything as if it were going to court,
    (which thankfully it did not), treating every step like I was at
    work, not doing my hobby...  In short being as unemotional as
    possible, and as professional as possible.

    The expectation is on us as Amateur Operators to document things in
    a way the FCC can use.  Neither the FCC, or the ARRL is going to do
    this for us.

    It may not be right, and it may not be how all of us want it, but it
    is the way it is...  If you want action from the FCC you have to
    make it easy for the FCC to enforce.

    Again, I am not criticizing anyone, or anything that has happened
    here, just offering some thoughts.

    73s and thanks,
    Dave
    NK7Z
    http://www.nk7z.net

    On 11/14/2017 05:51 PM, dalej wrote:

        Well, it appears there is no authority.  These companies have
        the free run to do what ever they want and nobody is going to
        stop them except bad publicity and that is not easy unless it’s
        airbag failures in automobiles, even then it’s  going to take a
        long time for resolutions.

        This is sort of like anything goes.  Nobody is in charge.

        Good luck.

        Dale j.


        On 14, Nov 2017, at 19:45, Mike Kirkland <radio.ns6q@gmail.com
        <mailto:radio.ns6q@gmail.com>> wrote:

        I have a S9 + noise level across the entire VHF band caused by a
        solaredge installation. I haven't looked at HF yet but I'm not
        sure I want to.

        Part 15 seems really clear but that doesn't seem to make any
        difference to solar Edge.

        On Nov 14, 2017 5:29 PM, "dalej" <dj2001x@comcast.net
        <mailto:dj2001x@comcast.net> <mailto:dj2001x@comcast.net
        <mailto:dj2001x@comcast.net>>> wrote:
        Then who may I ask has authority over such matters??

        Dale j.


        On 14, Nov 2017, at 18:06, chuck.gooden
        <chuck.gooden@comcast.net <mailto:chuck.gooden@comcast.net>
        <mailto:chuck.gooden@comcast.net
        <mailto:chuck.gooden@comcast.net>>> wrote:



        If I am recalling correctly, the Fcc does not include any
        specifications for radiated emissions below 30 mhz and leave it
        to "well engineering practice."  But that is never defined.
        Chuck Gooden - K9LC

        -------- Original message --------
        From: dalej <dj2001x@comcast.net <mailto:dj2001x@comcast.net>
        <mailto:dj2001x@comcast.net <mailto:dj2001x@comcast.net>>>
        Date: 11/14/2017  5:48 PM  (GMT-06:00)
        To: Randy Standke <r55stan@gmail.com <mailto:r55stan@gmail.com>
        <mailto:r55stan@gmail.com <mailto:r55stan@gmail.com>>>
        Cc: rfi@contesting.com <mailto:rfi@contesting.com>
        <mailto:rfi@contesting.com <mailto:rfi@contesting.com>>
        Subject: Re: [RFI] Leased Solar Panels: Operator Responsibility?

        Wondering what they are going to knock down from S9+40 to what,
        nothing or something less than?

        Also wondering if the FCC is kept informed of this?

        Dale j. K9VUJ


        On 14, Nov 2017, at 17:14, Randy Standke <r55stan@gmail.com
        <mailto:r55stan@gmail.com> <mailto:r55stan@gmail.com
        <mailto:r55stan@gmail.com>>> wrote:

        Your spectrum plots look just like SolarEdge RFI does.

        I just met with a SolarEdge engineer.  His contact information
        is Tefford Reed <Tefford.Reed@solaredge.com
        <mailto:Tefford.Reed@solaredge.com>
        <mailto:Tefford.Reed@solaredge.com
        <mailto:Tefford.Reed@solaredge.com>>>.  They are working on
        several houses surrounding a ham in Poway, CA (who has S9 +40dB
RFI from the new SolarEdge systems that just went in near him). They plan to correct the SolarEdge installations near me in two weeks.  It is great to finally see some activity from them. Tefford told me to ask hams with SolarEdge RFI to contact him.

        Randy KQ6RS

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Tony [mailto:dxdx@optonline.net
        <mailto:dxdx@optonline.net> <mailto:dxdx@optonline.net
        <mailto:dxdx@optonline.net>>]
        Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 11:50 AM
        To: Randy Standke <r55stan@gmail.com <mailto:r55stan@gmail.com>
        <mailto:r55stan@gmail.com <mailto:r55stan@gmail.com>>>;
        rfi@contesting.com <mailto:rfi@contesting.com>
        <mailto:rfi@contesting.com <mailto:rfi@contesting.com>>
        Subject: Re: [RFI] Leased Solar Panels: Operator Responsibility?

        Randy:

            In this case the solar panels could be covered with dark
            tarps to stop
            their interference.  They can stay covered until SolarEdge
            comes out
            and fixes that system. Randy KQ6RS


        The tarp solution should work. My neighbors SolarEge system goes
        quiet at night when the panels are inactive. The attached
        screenshots show the difference between the daytime RFI noise
        level and the nighttime noise level.

        Tony -K2MO


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