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Re: [RFI] Help Identifying RFI

To: "Dave Cole (NK7Z)" <dave@nk7z.net>, "rfi@contesting.com" <rfi@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Help Identifying RFI
From: JW via RFI <rfi@contesting.com>
Reply-to: JW <jwin95@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 13:56:02 +0000 (UTC)
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Massive overkill IMO to stress the need for an SDR to accomplish this task.

Find or buy a little battery powered Degen 1103 receiver and equip it with a 
small tuned loop for the band of interest.

I will try and post a video of this scheme later on. I was DFing noise near the 
20m band.

de Jim WB5WPA


      From: Dave Cole (NK7Z) <dave@nk7z.net>
 To: rfi@contesting.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [RFI] Help Identifying RFI
   
If you can get a portable SDR, say an RSP-1 using an Raspberry Pi, then 
you can use your loop to track down very selected RFI sources by 
watching the spectrogram of that RFI as you turn the loop.

A small subset of signals will fade in and out as you rotate the loop, 
this will help you separate out which are the really offending ones... 
I use the process described at:

http://nk7z.net/sdr-rfi-survey-p1/

to initially locate what RFI I want to track, then I zoom in time wise, 
and use a loop to follow just that source by looking at the nulls as I 
turn the loop.  This way I see only a few signals fade, out of the many 
RFI signals...  This allows me to select what signals I want to track.

Takes a bit of practice, but once I got the hang of it, it shortened the 
locate time down to minutes in most cases...

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 09/24/2017 08:32 PM, Kam Sirag (Yahoo) via RFI wrote:
> Looking for some help with the following problem, if possible, (I'm going
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> to 'throw a handful of rice at the side of the barn and see if any sticks'
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> wrt to background information - just in case some of the ancillary info is
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> actually more useful than I might have thought.
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> Every year I seem to need to track down some sort of new RFI here at the Ti5W
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> station in northern Costa Rica. Two years ago it was a faulty sensor for a
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> sodium streetlight and last year it was a sodium streetlight itself.
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> This year's nut has been a bit harder to crack. The RFI peaks in a
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> particular direction (about 335 degrees) and is s9 at some spots on the 15m
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> band. It is broadband, and can be heard on all the bands, but is worst on
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> 15m, noticeable on 10m and less so on 20m. (Presently I don't have WARC
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> band antennas, but I'm guessing 17m and 12m pick it up also.) It can be
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> heard on the low bands, but is in the noise floor. This noise started
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> intermittently about three months ago and gradually became more frequent
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> until it's now on 24/7. Rain doesn't seem to affect it these days (I don't
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> really recall if rain affected it at all.) One interesting thing is that
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> the noise has gone from something that the noise blanker on my FT5000 would
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> easily kill to one that the NB seems to have minimal effect on (I'm assuming
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> it is the same noise - but that's not a 100% given.)
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> I have an AM mode recording WAV file of the noise that I'm happy to share if
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> anyone cares to listen.
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> Although the noise is broadband, there are a couple of frequencies where it
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> is highly attenuated. For example 21.260Mhz seems to be a null. But there
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> are not many nulls. That's the only one on 15m.
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>  
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> My attempts so far at tracking it down have been somewhat successful - today
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> there was a serendipitous power outage only in my immediate neighborhood.
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> The noise did not go away, which led me to believe it was farther away than
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> I thought. It is also loudest on the highest antenna - another vote for not
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> being in close proximity.
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>  
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> So, I flew my camera drone in a line with the peak RFI heading on my yagi to
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> see what may be out there farther away. At about 2.7km away, the pastures
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> gave way to a road with several businesses and homes in the 'target zone.'
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> I built up a loop antenna, fixed it in the bed of my pickup truck, put a
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> K3 in the passenger seat and listened as I drove to the area.
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> The noise seemed to peak when I got very close to a particular utility pole
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> in the target zone. I still need to figure out how to be 100% sure that the
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> pole is the culprit, since the interference is worst on 15m, and it seems
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> like the RFI may be radiating on some of the power lines around that area.
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>  
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> I was wondering if anyone could take a listen to the recording I made of
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> the noise, and possibly identify it, or have any other suggestions on how to
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> approach this. I've tracked down a reasonable number of RFI issues in
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>  
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> Maryland, and also a couple down here, but none has involved a utility pole
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> potentially being the culprit. I tried comparing the noise to the ARRL RFI
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> noise database, but am not confident I can say it matches anything. The
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> main reason I'd like to have as much/overkill information as possible is
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> that down here in Costa Rica, it is harder for me to communicate effectively
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> in order to explain an issue like this and also it's difficult to get the
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> utility company to act, or to ask entry into someone's home. So I guess I'm
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> trying to be as sure as I can be about what is going on before I try to pull
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> any action triggers.
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>  
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> Thanks for reading and please feel free to reply in the group or directly to
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> me.
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> 73,
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> Kam
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> N3KS
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> Ti5W
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