Well, yes and no on passing the buck. Short story: Based on PRB-1 the ZBA
actually approved the ham's request to exceed the 44' limit, but then the
ZBA asked the ham and planning dept to work together to change the ordinance
so that the ham community would not have to go to the ZBA on every tower
over 43'-9". Initially the planning dept worked closely with the ham and
the group he assembled to craft modest changes. It wasn't until the first
City Council meeting that we learned that the planning dept was actually
opposed to the changes they helped draft. We didn't see that coming since
they seemed completely in favor of it while working to draft changes.
That's politics I guess.
One of these days, I'll find the old VHS tape of that Council meeting and
covert it to digital and put it on youtube.
Underground antennas are the solution... yea right!
73, de ed -K0iL
-----Original Message-----
From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Gary Smith via
RFI
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:31 AM
To: rfi@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RFI] VDSL (very-high-bit-rate digital subscriber line)
Best case of "passing the buck" I've seen or read a bout in a long time.
Gary...wa6fgi
On 4/24/2014 5:37 AM, EDWARDS, EDDIE J wrote:
> Joe,
>
> Glad to hear you prevailed without needing to fight it yourself. I stand
corrected on that point.
>
> However, it is also city ordinances that seem to become the tough battle
in many cases with no HOA restrictions. Our limit is 43 ft -9 inches
including the antenna. Several years ago in Omaha, a group of hams
including one lawyer tried working with the city planning dept. in a good
faith effort to change this limit even slightly only to be blind-sided by
the same people opposing the change when it finally came up for a vote in
the city council. After the debate, where one councilman stated that
technology should soon create "underground antennas" that work, we were
lucky they didn't lower the allowed height. PRB-1 and a technical
presentation didn't matter at all to people like that. So anyone wanting a
higher tower height must go thru the Zoning Board for special approvals.
Ironically, it was the Zoning Board that sent the group of hams to Planning
to change the ordinance so they don't have to deal with it.
>
> 73, de ed -K0iL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe - W7RKN
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 8:35 PM
> To: RFI Contesting
> Subject: Re: [RFI] VDSL (very-high-bit-rate digital subscriber line)
>
> Slight correction.....
>
> A newly formed HOA *cannot* impose its new rules on an existing
> property owner. The laws expressly prohibit backwards enforcement.
>
> We had a lady here in my neck of the woods trying to start an HOA,
> specifically because she felt my antennas devalued her property. She
> was not a happy camper to learn that anything she started, if she was
> successful in forming an HOA (she failed BTW) excluded my antennas, as
> I would have been grandfathered in, per law.
>
> Joe - W7RKN
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed K0iL" <eddieedwards@centurylink.net>
> Subject: Re: [RFI] VDSL (very-high-bit-rate digital subscriber line)
>
>
>> Rob,
>>
>> I agree with you 100%! We all need to keep operating or we will
>> eventually lose our privileges and our bands.
>>
>> The mindset our society is moving toward is minority group rights
>> trump the majority individual (property) rights. Don't like what
>> your neighbor is doing on his property? Form a Home Owners
>> Association and run him out.
>> Over the last 30 years they have perfected this by putting HOA
>> contracts place before the first houses are even sold.
>>
>> Our numbers of active HF operators continues to shrink and the
>> average age of licensed hams continues to climb mostly because of
>> limitations on their homes blocking activity. Nearly all the people
>> I've recruited to get a ham license in last 20 years have never
>> operated HF from their home because they live in restrictive
>> neighborhoods.
>>
>> With property rights becoming a thing of the past, it's only going to
>> get worse if we don't operate on the air.
>>
>> 73, de ed -K0iL
>>
>> TV is just entertainment. Amateur Radio is a licensed Radio Service.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Rob
>> Atkinson
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 4:40 PM
>> To: rfi@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [RFI] VDSL (very-high-bit-rate digital subscriber line)
>>
>> All well and good working with ARRL and neighbors but hams need to
>> grow spines and quit tucking their tails between their legs and
>> capitulating to neighbors who due to irrational psychology, seem to
>> think watching TV or some other appliance use is a birthright, but
>> ham radio is just an optional play-time activity with some toys.
>>
>> This comes out for example with antennas, and the deplorable use of
>> hidden "stealth" antennas to appease neighbors, as if the ham is in
>> the Resistance in WW2 or is engaged in some illegal activity, or has
>> a
>> spy station. It is exceedingly disappointing that the use of these
>> antennas is promoted in ham magazines such as CQ and QST, complete
>> with glowing reports of satisfied owners, as if these are excellent
>> and satisfactory antennas in the fullest sense. If I were counsel
>> representing plaintiffs against a ham, all I would need to do is
>> round up dozens of these articles and present them to a jury and I'd
>> easily win. I am absolutely nonplussed every time QST or CQ hands
>> municipalities yet another article to use against us. Every one of
>> those articles should carry a prominent disclaimer to the effect that
>> these antennas are most unsatisfactory and are only presented to be
>> used as a temporary measure in the belief that any antenna is better
>> than none at all.
>>
>> But, as for RFI, a ham curtailing his mode/power/hours in any way
>> makes as much sense as the neighbor curtailing his TV watching.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Rob
>> K5UJ
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