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Re: [CQ-Contest] Delayed Callers

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Delayed Callers
From: Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2021 17:57:18 -0800 (PST)
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Here's another view from somebody who was 100% S&P last weekend. Say somebody I 
need as a double-mult is calling CQ, and I put my callsign in the pile-up to 
work him. While the pile-up is still calling, the needed station comes back 
with "W7VO 5911". I can't hear him come back to me over the pile-up, and can 
only hear him when the pile up dies down. Then he comes back with a "W7VO 5911" 
a second time, or maybe even a third time, and I finally can give him my 
exchange. I feel bad that he had to come back to me several times, but it's not 
my fault the lids just keep calling over the QSO. I really APPRECIATE that the 
op stuck with me to make the QSO. That happened to me several times last 
weekend. 

73;
Mike
W7VO   


> On 12/02/2021 1:37 PM kq2m@kq2m.com wrote:
> 
>  
> Love it!  Fred that's a great description of my reasoning as well and 
> EXACTLY what I do.
> 
> When someone calls and I give them a report and they don't respond once, 
> twice, I have already lost callers in my pileup and valuable qso's that 
> I could have made.  And then when that loud station calls again, they 
> are qrming the rest of the pileup AGAIN and I lose more callers because 
> they have called yet again and still did not work me and they get 
> frustrated and qsy.
> 
> It's one thing if the 2 radio op got confused and made a mistake.  I 
> certainly have made my share of mistakes; BUT, I NEVER called a DX 
> station on THEIR freq. and then made them wait for me while I worked 
> someone on another band.  That's exceptionally rude operating.
> 
> In my experience this problem seems limited to the Multi ops.  The SO2R 
> guys, even if they are new at SO2R, seem to do a MUCH better job of 
> responding quickly.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, KQ2M
> 
> 
> On 2021-12-02 14:19, Fred Kleber wrote:
> > I do not have a lot of patience for SO2R / In-band, or whatever kind
> > of stations that don’t come back after two calls.  If I have a pileup,
> > my time and rate is just as valuable as the delayed caller’s.
> > 
> > My rule is two responses and if the delayed caller doesn’t come back,
> > either they don’t copy me well or they are waiting for a QSO to finish
> > on another radio.  Regardless, I then either CQ or QRZ.  Of course
> > this strategy might be different for someone who is from a call area
> > with an abundance of callers.
> > 
> > If the calling station still wants a QSO, they can call again, but if
> > there are other callers, I will use a ‘mental band pass’ filter to
> > give other callers priority, as it is highly likely I will get a
> > quicker reply from a different station.  If the calling station is
> > obviously a newer call, KF0XYZ,etc. then I will be more forgiving
> > regarding a response.
> > 
> > On the flip side, I rarely call a station more than 3 times.  If the
> > station is a mult, I then evaluate the mult vs. QSO ratio and decide
> > how long to call.
> > 
> > YMMV.  Back to net….
> > 
> > 73,
> > Fred, NP2X
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