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Re: [CQ-Contest] UPDATE: CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast

To: Ray Mikula <rmikula@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] UPDATE: CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
From: WW3S <ww3s@zoominternet.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 13:06:14 -0500
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Ummm …..there are only 40 zones in CQWW…..maybe thats the problem….

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> On Nov 11, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Ray Mikula <rmikula@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m the original poster of this question and since there has been so much 
> response I thought I would post more details and what I’ve learned so far.
> 
> To summarize my prior posting.  I live in the Chicago area and my fellow ham 
> friend lives in the Richmond VA area.  We both worked CQ WW DX SSB contest.  
> Our skill levels are similar, we both ran about 1KW, we both exclusively did 
> S&P, both spent a similar amount of time on the air (maybe 15 hours).  We 
> both have tri band beams on the top of our house although his maybe 10 feet 
> further up.
> 
> We ended up with almost identical scores around 230,000 however, I has more 
> contacts and he did hugely better with the multipliers.  I was surprised 
> because I was focused very heavily on multipliers.
> 
> I used N1MM and VE7CC as my cluster.  Friday night I worked 40m.  Saturday 
> mid morning I started on 15m, switched to 10m the 20m and then bounced 
> between the 3 bands.  I was very reliant on spots which probably accounted 
> for 90% of my qsos.  I had, what for me was a very good rate.  My technique 
> was to sort multipliers by beam heading.  Pick mults off and then rotate the 
> beam a bit.
> 
> I spoke with my friend and he was heavily focused on working his way up and 
> down the band.  I would guess that 80% of his contacts were based from going 
> up and down the band and maybe 15% were based on spots.  He did not keep 
> track of multipliers other than 2 or 3 that were considered difficult.
> 
> The end result is as follows;  
> 
> For me in Chicago area:
> 40m   66 qso  17 zones 37 cty
> 20m  103 qso  24 zones 50 cty
> 15m 133  qso  22 zones  61 cty
> 10m   49  qso   11 zones 21 cty
> 
> For friend in Richmond VA;
> 40m  32 qso  31 zones  32 cty
> 20m  29 qso  27 zones  29 cty
> 15m  73 qso  73 zones  73 cty
> 10m  63 qso  61 zones  63 cty
> 
> What jumps out for me is the difference in number of more zones worked from 
> Richmond VA especially on 10m and 15m.  3X more on 15 meters and 5X more on 
> 10 meters.  And I (Chicago) was focused on multipliers.
> 
> The difference on 40m is partially due to antenna as I run an OCF dipole and 
> he has a rotating dipole.
> 
> So, what I’ve been trying to sort out is why the big difference in 
> multipliers.  What part is due to propagation, what part might be due to 
> various multipliers not getting spotted and what is due to my strategy of 
> focusing on spots.
> 
> Thanks to all that have replied either directly or via the forum.  Lots of 
> good insights!
> 
> Thanks and good contesting!
> 
> 73,
> Ray
> W9NZ
> 
> 
> 
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> Today's Topics:
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>   1. Re: Workiing Split in Contests (Richard F DiDonna NN3W)
>   2. "Is there a way a station could enter a "Block All Spots of
>      Me" to the skimmer network?" (ko7ss@yahoo.com)
>   3. RE?:  {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
>      (outlook_5B91DD2A0B96EAEA@outlook.com)
>   4. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
>      (dimitri cosson)
>   5. Re: Workiing Split in Contests (Jim Brown)
>   6. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast (Steve London)
>   7. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
>      (dimitri cosson)
>   8. NS RTTY this Thursday, 11 Nov in NA  DON'T FORGET THE TIME
>      CHANGE! (Ken K6MR)
>   9. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast (Weisz L?szl?)
>  10. Interest in CQWW - analysis (Mark - N5OT)
>  11. Re: "Is there a way a station could enter a "Block All Spots
>      of Me" to the skimmer network?" (ktfrog007@aol.com)
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 08:31:19 -0500
> From: Richard F DiDonna NN3W <richnn3w@gmail.com>
> To: jpescatore@aol.com
> Cc: "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Workiing Split in Contests
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Split is still done on 40 meters and 80 meters owing to the mismatch in
> frequency allocations between R2 and R1/R3.  Split was done a -little- at
> the bottom of cycles 23 and 24 on 20 meters but that was met with some
> pretty strong objections by those claiming that it took up two frequencies
> (especially in CQWW).
> 
> 73 Rich NN3W
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 7:27 AM K3TN via CQ-Contest <
>> cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think working split will work well in any major contest.
>> Almost inevitably, someone will start CQing on the listening frequency (or
>> someone already was listening on that chosen listening frequency.)  He will
>> hear the other stations calling, think they are calling him, call them and
>> act as QRM on your listening freq. If he is loud enough, he will get
>> spotted, start working stations that come to the freq and you will start
>> hearing stations calling him, but think they are calling you!
>> This is what pretty much seems to happen just about any time a DXpedition
>> goes split during a major contest where the bands are crowded. Might work
>> in QSO parties for mobiles - when mobiles hit new counties, the pileups are
>> short but awesome!
>> VY0ERC did a great job of working the pileup at his speed and most of the
>> NT stations over the years have evolved strategies for just QSYing when the
>> pileup gets out of control.
>> The worst part of those pileups are the stations calling who couldn't hear
>> the target on a clear frequency. Is there a way a station could enter a
>> "Block All Spots of Me" to the skimmer network?
>> 73 John K3TN
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 14:19:26 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "ko7ss@yahoo.com" <ko7ss@yahoo.com>
> To: Reflector Cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] "Is there a way a station could enter a "Block
>    All Spots of Me" to the skimmer network?"
> Message-ID: <1876596976.1254974.1636467566786@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> This option doesn't exist for the RBN as a whole, but at the individual 
> skimmer level it
> is easy. One of the user defined parameters is "Blocked Calls" to prevent a 
> skimmer
> from self spotting the owner in a contest.
> 
> One older boy and his radio sent me an E-mail a few years ago asking to not be
> spotted on my skimmers and I set it up for him.
> 
> Anyone else? I can send the list to the RBN ops group if desired....
> 
> 73, Bill KO7SS
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 18:17:14 +0100
> From: "outlook_5B91DD2A0B96EAEA@outlook.com"
>    <dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>
> To: AB1J via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Cc: Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] RE?:  {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
>    Coast
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 19:41:17 +0100
> From: dimitri cosson <dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>
> To: Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com>
> Cc: john@kk9a.com,AB1J via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
>    Coast
> Message-ID: <847bdcba-577f-489d-bf6e-2b033cf270ed@gmail.com>
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> 
> Hi Barry,
> 
> 
> Barry, W2UP wrote :
> <<<You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the opening
> to Europe.? That's where QSO points come from, because there's virtually an
> endless supply of Europeans to work.
> Start with the high bands.? Sunset in Europe is a constant for US ops.
> [...]
> Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is making 3
> QSOs/minute with EU.? Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band is
> just opening in Phila.? And so on.? And of course, the opening is also
> stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.? The EU high band opening closes
> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.>>>
> 
> 
> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...
> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports and form 
> where it comes from :
> 
> OE9GHV OH8FKK?? 7043.0? RTTY CQ 19 dB? 45 bps 1706z? 09 Nov
> WZ7I??????? TM3Z????? 21086.5? RTTY CQ?? 10 dB? 45 bps 1659z? 09 Nov
> WE9V????? TM3Z????? 21086.4? RTTY CQ? 20 dB? 45 bps 1658z? 09 Nov
> KO7SS??? TM3Z????? 21086.5. RTTY CQ ? 25 dB? 45 bps 1658z? 09 Nov
> W6YX.?? TM3Z????? 21086.5? RTTY CQ? 20 dB 45 bps 1658z? 09 Nov
> K1TTT.?? TM3Z????? 14099.1? RTTY CQ? 22 dB 45 bps 1657z? 09 Nov
> 
> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by K1TTT 
> in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's meadow
> 
> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> a ?crit:
>> You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
>> opening
>> to Europe.  That's where QSO points come from, because there's
>> virtually an
>> endless supply of Europeans to work.
>> Start with the high bands.  Sunset in Europe is a constant for US ops.
>> However sunRISE is the key.  Here are some examples of sunrise times
>> for
>> Nov 25:
>> Jonesport, ME 1140Z
>> Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
>> Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
>> Chicago, IL 1252Z
>> 
>> Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is making 3
>> QSOs/minute with EU.  Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band is
>> just opening in Phila.  And so on.  And of course, the opening is also
>> stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.  The EU high band opening
>> closes
>> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.
>> 
>> Then there are the low bands.  Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
>> 40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same time
>> as
>> the sun rises across EU.
>> 
>> Barry W2UP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 6:25 PM <john@kk9a.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have operated many DX contests from Illinois and I there is a huge
>>> difference between east coast and midwest propagation. Beside the
>> mileage
>>> difference east coast stations have their first skip over the
>> Atlantic
>>> ocean
>>> which I believe offers some enhancement. We referred to the Midwest
>> as the
>>> black hole for a reason. W9JA moved from Wisconsin to Virginia and
>> then
>>> incredibly Paul started winning contests. You're lucky to be in New
>>> Brunswick, it may be the ideal location for the ARRL DX contest.
>>> 
>>> John KK9A
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
>>> 
>>> He's only 618 miles SE of you and as the crow flies to EU (great
>> circle
>>> path)
>>> he might only have you by 100-200 miles (roughly)
>>> to the Center of EU (and there's more to CQWW than just EU) so it's
>>> probably
>>> just that he's the better/quicker op.  Nothing more.
>>> 
>>> I don't think there is very much of any of this "East Coast/Midwest"
>> stuff
>>> going on here at all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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> 
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> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 11:40:10 -0800
> From: Jim Brown <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Workiing Split in Contests
> Message-ID:
>    <37d802bd-efa5-1c69-5f73-4d276dea9c4c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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> 
>> On 11/9/2021 5:31 AM, Richard F DiDonna NN3W wrote:
>> Split is still done on 40 meters and 80 meters owing to the mismatch in
>> frequency allocations between R2 and R1/R3.
> 
> Yes, very good operating practice. What I object to is split on CW, 
> where there are no such allocation issues.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 12:41:51 -0700
> From: Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com>
> To: dimitri cosson <dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>
> Cc: Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com>, john@kk9a.com,    AB1J via
>    CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
>    Coast
> Message-ID:
>    <CAB7zQ=3M9Gv6N361UpgGvKGoXNL3G6NpAqhX=Ue2SAT4T3c6yg@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
> 
> Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in any DX
> contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on 10-40, a
> rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an effective height of 300' towards
> Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. I think you would find the
> experience to be humbling.
> 
> 73,
> Steve, N2IC
> 
> 
>> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...
>> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports and
>> form where it comes from :
>> 
>> OE9GHV OH8FKK   7043.0  RTTY CQ 19 dB  45 bps 1706z  09 Nov
>> WZ7I        TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ   10 dB  45 bps 1659z  09 Nov
>> WE9V      TM3Z      21086.4  RTTY CQ  20 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>> KO7SS    TM3Z      21086.5. RTTY CQ   25 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>> W6YX.   TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ  20 dB 45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>> K1TTT.   TM3Z      14099.1  RTTY CQ  22 dB 45 bps 1657z  09 Nov
>> 
>> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by
>> K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
>> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's
>> meadow
>> 
>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> a ?crit:
>>> You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
>>> opening
>>> to Europe.  That's where QSO points come from, because there's
>>> virtually an
>>> endless supply of Europeans to work.
>>> Start with the high bands.  Sunset in Europe is a constant for US ops.
>>> However sunRISE is the key.  Here are some examples of sunrise times
>>> for
>>> Nov 25:
>>> Jonesport, ME 1140Z
>>> Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
>>> Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
>>> Chicago, IL 1252Z
>>> 
>>> Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is making 3
>>> QSOs/minute with EU.  Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band is
>>> just opening in Phila.  And so on.  And of course, the opening is also
>>> stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.  The EU high band opening
>>> closes
>>> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.
>>> 
>>> Then there are the low bands.  Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
>>> 40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same time
>>> as
>>> the sun rises across EU.
>>> 
>>> Barry W2UP
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 6:25 PM <john@kk9a.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have operated many DX contests from Illinois and I there is a huge
>>>> difference between east coast and midwest propagation. Beside the
>>> mileage
>>>> difference east coast stations have their first skip over the
>>> Atlantic
>>>> ocean
>>>> which I believe offers some enhancement. We referred to the Midwest
>>> as the
>>>> black hole for a reason. W9JA moved from Wisconsin to Virginia and
>>> then
>>>> incredibly Paul started winning contests. You're lucky to be in New
>>>> Brunswick, it may be the ideal location for the ARRL DX contest.
>>>> 
>>>> John KK9A
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> He's only 618 miles SE of you and as the crow flies to EU (great
>>> circle
>>>> path)
>>>> he might only have you by 100-200 miles (roughly)
>>>> to the Center of EU (and there's more to CQWW than just EU) so it's
>>>> probably
>>>> just that he's the better/quicker op.  Nothing more.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't think there is very much of any of this "East Coast/Midwest"
>>> stuff
>>>> going on here at all.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>>> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 21:18:43 +0100
> From: dimitri cosson <dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>
> To: Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com>
> Cc: Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com>,john@kk9a.com,    AB1J via CQ-Contest
>    <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
>    Coast
> Message-ID: <b0acff6b-7878-486d-8b4e-19d4ef06cb08@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Steve,
> 
> <<<
> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>>>> 
> 
> 1) Because the K1TTT's skimmer was listening 40 to 12m. Have a look on? 
> reversebeacon.net and read the list of skimmers online (and on what bands)...
> 2) Read again the full Barry's e.mail
> 
> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK
> 
> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 20:42, ? 20:42, Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com> a ?crit:
>> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
>> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>> 
>> Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in any
>> DX
>> contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on 10-40,
>> a
>> rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an effective height of 300'
>> towards
>> Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. I think you would find the
>> experience to be humbling.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Steve, N2IC
>> 
>> 
>>> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...
>>> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports
>> and
>>> form where it comes from :
>>> 
>>> OE9GHV OH8FKK   7043.0  RTTY CQ 19 dB  45 bps 1706z  09 Nov
>>> WZ7I        TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ   10 dB  45 bps 1659z  09 Nov
>>> WE9V      TM3Z      21086.4  RTTY CQ  20 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>>> KO7SS    TM3Z      21086.5. RTTY CQ   25 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>>> W6YX.   TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ  20 dB 45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>>> K1TTT.   TM3Z      14099.1  RTTY CQ  22 dB 45 bps 1657z  09 Nov
>>> 
>>> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by
>>> K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
>>> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's
>>> meadow
>>> 
>>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> a
>> ?crit:
>>>> You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
>>>> opening
>>>> to Europe.  That's where QSO points come from, because there's
>>>> virtually an
>>>> endless supply of Europeans to work.
>>>> Start with the high bands.  Sunset in Europe is a constant for US
>> ops.
>>>> However sunRISE is the key.  Here are some examples of sunrise times
>>>> for
>>>> Nov 25:
>>>> Jonesport, ME 1140Z
>>>> Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
>>>> Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
>>>> Chicago, IL 1252Z
>>>> 
>>>> Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is
>> making 3
>>>> QSOs/minute with EU.  Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band
>> is
>>>> just opening in Phila.  And so on.  And of course, the opening is
>> also
>>>> stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.  The EU high band opening
>>>> closes
>>>> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.
>>>> 
>>>> Then there are the low bands.  Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
>>>> 40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same
>> time
>>>> as
>>>> the sun rises across EU.
>>>> 
>>>> Barry W2UP
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 6:25 PM <john@kk9a.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I have operated many DX contests from Illinois and I there is a
>> huge
>>>>> difference between east coast and midwest propagation. Beside the
>>>> mileage
>>>>> difference east coast stations have their first skip over the
>>>> Atlantic
>>>>> ocean
>>>>> which I believe offers some enhancement. We referred to the
>> Midwest
>>>> as the
>>>>> black hole for a reason. W9JA moved from Wisconsin to Virginia and
>>>> then
>>>>> incredibly Paul started winning contests. You're lucky to be in
>> New
>>>>> Brunswick, it may be the ideal location for the ARRL DX contest.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John KK9A
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> He's only 618 miles SE of you and as the crow flies to EU (great
>>>> circle
>>>>> path)
>>>>> he might only have you by 100-200 miles (roughly)
>>>>> to the Center of EU (and there's more to CQWW than just EU) so
>> it's
>>>>> probably
>>>>> just that he's the better/quicker op.  Nothing more.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't think there is very much of any of this "East
>> Coast/Midwest"
>>>> stuff
>>>>> going on here at all.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>>>> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 07:24:47 +0000
> From: Ken K6MR <k6mr@outlook.com>
> To: "rttydigital@groups.io" <rttydigital@groups.io>,
>    "nccc-blue@groups.io"    <nccc-blue@groups.io>, cq-contest
>    <cq-contest@contesting.com>,    "RTTY@groups.io" <RTTY@groups.io>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] NS RTTY this Thursday, 11 Nov in NA  DON'T
>    FORGET THE TIME CHANGE!
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> Greetings Diddlers,
> 
> Back into double digit turnout last week.  Welcome to first timer K0VW (neat 
> call!), as well as AK2S and W4BBT who were back for more sprint fun.
> 
> 
> 
> And yes, it?s that time again for most of us to adjust ourselves to that 
> silly biannual government imposed ritual of messing with time.  So even 
> though the UTC times have not changed, those of you (and me) who are 
> subjected to this craziness must adjust our day.  Put a yellow sticky on the 
> monitor, set an alarm, whatever you need to do to remember to show up an hour 
> earlier local time.  Except of course you lucky folks who are in states that 
> have sane management.  Anyway, don?t forget.  If no one is around when you 
> start CQing, you are too late!
> 
> 
> 
> The upcoming weekend has a biggie of the RTTY world:  WAE DX RTTY!  This one 
> gives everyone a chance to play and makes QTCs a bit more fun. So warm up the 
> diddle machine and join us Thursday evening to make sure everything is up to 
> snuff for the weekend.
> 
> 
> 
> The details of our little get together:
> 
> 
> 
> Friday,  12 Nov 2021, 0145Z - 0215Z (Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 in NA)
> -- 1745 - 1815 PST
> -- 2045 - 2115 EST
> -- (others in-between those two)
> -- 160: Around 1805  (Last two to five minutes seem to be popular?)
> -- 80/40/20/15 +84 kHz up from the band edge   <--NOTE
> -- Same band dupes ok after 1 intervening Q.
> -- 1 kHz QSY rule, otherwise standard Sprint rules
> -- Mults per band.
> -- 100W power limit
> 
> Please visit http://www.ncccsprint.com/rttyns.html for complete rules and 
> links to other info. If you find any problems with the web pages, please let 
> me know so we can get them fixed.
> 
> If you would like to receive all the latest info about NS as well as a have a 
> place for comments and questions, sign up for the NS mailing list:  
> https://groups.io/g/nccc-blue
> 
> Contestonlinescore.com has a slot set up for us if you?d like to make sure 
> your logger is talking to the world.  Select NCCC NA RTTY Sprint.
> 
> Report scores to 3830scores.com, and join us at 0300Z on 3610 kHz (+/- a few 
> for ongoing groups) for comments and questions (and dinner menus).
> 
> Don?t forget to check out RTTYops Weekday and Weekend Sprints.  
> Tuesday/Thursday/Sunday (in NA) for you hopelessly addicted Sprinters.
> 
> Diddle diddle,
> 
> Ken K6MR
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 09:01:10 +0100
> From: Weisz L?szl? <ha3nu@tolna.net>
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
>    Coast
> Message-ID: <d240d17e-9a54-f582-d378-49141da84ab3@tolna.net>
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> 
> GM,
> 
> MW vs East Coast
> 
> Here in Eu we have the same situation: West Coast (EU) vs. Central Eu. I 
> agree with Steve N2IC and Barry W2UP: one from Central Eu is not able to 
> reach the same results with a big monobander like TM3Z with his? 3el on 
> 21MHz. Eg. in case we have a 6 hours opening for US that means only 
> about 30 mins to west coast (but in good conditions only) and of course 
> G/EI/F/EA/CT etc. friends have7-8 hours opening in the same time with 
> much bigger West Coast opening .? Same situation with North vs. South. 
> Dimitri: "the propagation in the real world..." is the propagation what 
> you have in France but not in Central/East Eu.
> 
> We have to live together with this fact.
> 
> 73 Lacy HA3NU/HG3R
> 
> 
>> On 2021. 11. 09. 21:18, dimitri cosson wrote:
>> Steve,
>> 
>> <<<
>> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
>> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>> 1) Because the K1TTT's skimmer was listening 40 to 12m. Have a look on? 
>> reversebeacon.net and read the list of skimmers online (and on what bands)...
>> 2) Read again the full Barry's e.mail
>> 
>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK
>> 
>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 20:42, ? 20:42, Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com> a ?crit:
>>> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
>>> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>>> 
>>> Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in any
>>> DX
>>> contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on 10-40,
>>> a
>>> rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an effective height of 300'
>>> towards
>>> Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. I think you would find the
>>> experience to be humbling.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Steve, N2IC
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...
>>>> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports
>>> and
>>>> form where it comes from :
>>>> 
>>>> OE9GHV OH8FKK   7043.0  RTTY CQ 19 dB  45 bps 1706z  09 Nov
>>>> WZ7I        TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ   10 dB  45 bps 1659z  09 Nov
>>>> WE9V      TM3Z      21086.4  RTTY CQ  20 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>>>> KO7SS    TM3Z      21086.5. RTTY CQ   25 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>>>> W6YX.   TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ  20 dB 45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>>>> K1TTT.   TM3Z      14099.1  RTTY CQ  22 dB 45 bps 1657z  09 Nov
>>>> 
>>>> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by
>>>> K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
>>>> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's
>>>> meadow
>>>> 
>>>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> a
>>> ?crit:
>>>>> You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
>>>>> opening
>>>>> to Europe.  That's where QSO points come from, because there's
>>>>> virtually an
>>>>> endless supply of Europeans to work.
>>>>> Start with the high bands.  Sunset in Europe is a constant for US
>>> ops.
>>>>> However sunRISE is the key.  Here are some examples of sunrise times
>>>>> for
>>>>> Nov 25:
>>>>> Jonesport, ME 1140Z
>>>>> Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
>>>>> Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
>>>>> Chicago, IL 1252Z
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is
>>> making 3
>>>>> QSOs/minute with EU.  Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band
>>> is
>>>>> just opening in Phila.  And so on.  And of course, the opening is
>>> also
>>>>> stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.  The EU high band opening
>>>>> closes
>>>>> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Then there are the low bands.  Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
>>>>> 40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same
>>> time
>>>>> as
>>>>> the sun rises across EU.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Barry W2UP
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 10:23:20 -0600
> From: Mark - N5OT <r-emails@n5ot.com>
> To: "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Interest in CQWW - analysis
> Message-ID: <b4f68d0a-1ad5-79fa-a148-aaddcd7f20cf@n5ot.com>
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> K9YC wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for your offer, Mark. It could be a lot of work. The words I 
> chose are descriptive, not quantitative. They will be defined 
> quantitatively by work like you have volunteered to do!
> 
> Thanks Jim for such a gracious response.
> 
> We can split hair about the word "most" but these numbers below show a 
> definition of "most" can mean "less than half" which I think was why I 
> asked in the first place (since "most" is commonly thought of as "more 
> than half").? As far as measuring degree of turn-on, well, that is above 
> my pay-grade.? How does the old quote go, "I know it when I see it."? 
> Apparently so does Jim but we both measure it differently.? Someone else 
> can tackle that one.? As Ken AB1J posted, a survey could determine 
> attitudes.
> 
> In the interest of crowd-sourcing what could be an interesting 
> discussion amongst the enlightened here, I present some basic numbers 
> for last year's CQWW Phone contest (all gleaned from Dr. Google and her 
> World Wide Internet).? The data is at the end of this email.
> 
> - - - - - - - - - - -
> 
> ?Analysis:
> 
> 1.87% of all hams on the West Coast got on for the contest.
> 
> 2.92% of all hams on the East Coast got on for the contest.
> 
> - - - - - - - - - - -
> 
> Definitions:
> 
> "All hams" means all hams who have a General, Advanced or Extra-class 
> license
> 
> "Got on for the contest" means their callsign appeared at least once in 
> a submitted log
> 
> "West Coast" means California, Oregon and Washington
> 
> "East Coast" means W1, W2 and W3
> 
> "Interest" means percentage of all hams who got on for the contest
> 
> "Greater interest" means the percentage is higher
> 
> For the purpose of this email, "hams" and "stations" and "callsigns" are 
> all interchangeable.? No allowance was made for the number of operators 
> who may have been on the air using a particular callsign, nor for their 
> license class.? (e.g. Multiop entries).
> 
> - - - - - - - - - - -
> 
> Other interesting gleanings:
> 
> Based on the percentage of hams who got on for the contest:
> 
> Illinois showed greater interest than New York
> Arizona showed greater interest than Georgia
> 
> The top five in order (by percentage) were NH, RI, DE, NJ followed by 
> MINNESOTA
> 
> Measured by actual number of stations on the air:
> 
> California had more hams on for the contest than any other state
> Florida was #2
> Texas was #3
> 
> - - - - - - - - - - - -
> 
> Interesting that more people in 5th-ranked Minnesota got on for the CQWW 
> than people in Connecticut, whether you measure it by percentage OR 
> number of operators.? Conclusion: Hams in Minnesota are more easily 
> turned on than hams in Connecticut.
> 
> Data follows.? If you want to sort the columns yourself click this link 
> to download this simple spreadsheet:
> 
> http://www.n5ot.com/CQWW/2020-CQWW-Interest-Analysis-Data.xlsx
> 
> 73 - Mark N5OT
> P.S. My work here is finished
> 
> 
> Data for 2021 CQWW Phone    
> STATE    NUMBER OF STATIONS THAT GOT ON FOR THE CONTEST    NUMBER OF 
> GENERAL, ADVANCED AND EXTRA-CLASS LICENSEES    PERCENTAGE OF GENERAL,
> ADVANCED AND EXTRA-CLASS LICENSEES WHO GOT ON FOR THE CONTEST
> AK    1    1567    0.06%
> AL    116    6128    1.89%
> AR    67    3790    1.77%
> AZ    238    10100    2.36%
> CA    758    42789    1.77%
> CO    160    7408    2.16%
> CT    129    4313    2.99%
> DE    31    938    3.30%
> FL    510    27702    1.84%
> GA    204    8844    2.31%
> IA    72    3888    1.85%
> ID    55    2821    1.95%
> IL    326    11904    2.74%
> IN    168    8167    2.06%
> KS    57    3841    1.48%
> KY    96    4651    2.06%
> LA    61    3699    1.65%
> MA    229    7881    2.91%
> MD    178    6080    2.93%
> ME    66    2692    2.45%
> MI    236    11640    2.03%
> MN    183    6094    3.00%
> MO    132    7418    1.78%
> MS    51    2737    1.86%
> MT    31    1750    1.77%
> NC    267    11082    2.41%
> ND    16    803    1.99%
> NE    35    2266    1.54%
> NH    105    2887    3.64%
> NJ    267    8308    3.21%
> NM    46    2971    1.55%
> NV    62    3260    1.90%
> NY    433    16165    2.68%
> OH    332    15913    2.09%
> OK    77    4755    1.62%
> OR    163    7964    2.05%
> PA    415    14019    2.96%
> RI    43    1200    3.58%
> SC    120    4909    2.44%
> SD    19    1157    1.64%
> TN    190    8931    2.13%
> TX    457    24796    1.84%
> UT    68    3608    1.88%
> VA    285    9949    2.86%
> VT    24    1153    2.08%
> WA    271    13120    2.07%
> WI    184    6200    2.97%
> WV    66    2967    2.22%
> WY    22    923    2.38%
> Grand Total    8122    368148    2.21%
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 16:32:37 +0000 (UTC)
> From: ktfrog007@aol.com
> To: "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] "Is there a way a station could enter a
>    "Block All Spots of Me" to the skimmer network?"
> Message-ID: <425385538.1269565.1636561957810@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> If there were an option to block all skimmer and cluster spots, do you think 
> any top contest stations would do it in contests?
> 
> And if so, why?
> 
> 73,
> Ken, AB1J
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ko7ss--- via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> To: Reflector Cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 9, 2021 2:19 pm
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] "Is there a way a station could enter a "Block All 
> Spots of Me" to the skimmer network?"
> 
> This option doesn't exist for the RBN as a whole, but at the individual 
> skimmer level it
> is easy. One of the user defined parameters is "Blocked Calls" to prevent a 
> skimmer
> from self spotting the owner in a contest.
> 
> One older boy and his radio sent me an E-mail a few years ago asking to not be
> spotted on my skimmers and I set it up for him.
> 
> Anyone else? I can send the list to the RBN ops group if desired....
> 
> 73, Bill KO7SS
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