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Re: [CQ-Contest] A DX Contest on the WARC bands -- A terrible idea

To: "EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com" <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>, "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>, "kzerohb@gmail.com" <kzerohb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] A DX Contest on the WARC bands -- A terrible idea
From: Ron Notarius W3WN via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 02:09:57 +0000 (UTC)
List-post: <mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
No.  Maintain the status quo.  
73


-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>
To: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>; cq-contest@contesting.com 
<cq-contest@contesting.com>; kzerohb@gmail.com <kzerohb@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 31, 2021 9:58 pm
Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] A DX Contest on the WARC bands -- A terrible idea

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Agreed.  So let the spectrum be used for all.  Far better than the dead silence 
we hear often on these bands.
 
  
 
Ed  N1UR
 
  
 
From: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:56 PM
To: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>; cq-contest@contesting.com; 
kzerohb@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] A DX Contest on the WARC bands -- A terrible idea
 
  
 
It was not.  
 
  
 
It was not the equivalent of a "deal" made in a "cigar smoke filled room"... 
not even the smoke from a few blown electrolytics.  And not by an "elitist" 
group.  
 
  
 
There are many aspects of contesting that can get that accusation, with some 
level of accuracy.  This is not one of them.  It was discussed for quite some 
time.
 
  
 
And the core reasoning remains... as narrow as the three WARC bands are, and as 
limited as they remain (in whole or in part) in many administrations around the 
world, I can see NO good reason to operate organized contests using the 
spectrum.  
 
  
 
Change for the sake of change is not, in and of itself, always a good thing.
 
  
 
I respect that you disagree.  But I see no point in further discussion of this 
point.
 
  
 
73


-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>
To: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>;cq-contest@contesting.com 
<cq-contest@contesting.com>;kzerohb@gmail.com <kzerohb@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 31, 2021 9:50 pm
Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] A DX Contest on the WARC bands -- A terrible idea
 
Honestly Ron.  It sounds like a deal made by good ol boys in a cigar smoke 
filled room in the 70s that is not only no longer relevant today but was never 
agreed to but from an elitist group that doesn’t speak for the contest 
majority.  Time for things to change in my opinion.
 
 
 
Ed  N1UR
 
 
 
From: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:05 PM
To: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>;cq-contest@contesting.com; 
kzerohb@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] A DX Contest on the WARC bands -- A terrible idea
 
 
 
If memory serves, and if I'm wrong I'm sure Hans will correct me...
 
 
 
When we first got access to the WARC bands, there was a lot of controversy 
amongst contesters, especially from those who didn't want to invest in 
equipment for three more band positions -- rigs, antennas, etc.  Especially for 
three very narrow bands that would fill up with signals quickly, if contesting 
were permitted on those bands.  Especially considering that we didn't get all 
three bands at once, and that they were phased in at different times and with 
different limits from different countries and administrations.
 
 
 
So the general consensus from the bulk of the contesting clubs and groups were 
to simply exclude the bands, at the time, from contesting.
 
 
 
The "pact" of leaving the bands available for non-contester use wasn't so much 
as a "pact" as something that evolved over time.  And it became, over time, 
very effective... especially during major contests, as a reasonable alternative 
for non-crowded bands was now available.  (Of course, some would, and continue 
to, argue that their rights to operate on the "traditional" bands where & when 
they want still trumps all contest activity, so why should THEY move off their 
claimed territory?  But I digress)
 
 
 
So, IMHO, it became, and remains, Good Amateur Practice to prohibit, as a 
"gentlemen's agreement" (and yes, I know we're not all gentlemen, and not all 
men, but we've murdered enough grammar etc. here as it is) organized contesting 
from the WARC bands.
 
 
 
And that's where you agreed to it.  As did we all.  As Good Amateur Practice.  
One of many.
 
 
 
Simple enough.
 
 
 
73


-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>
To: cq-contest@contesting.com <cq-contest@contesting.com>; Hans Brakob 
<kzerohb@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 31, 2021 8:35 pm
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] A DX Contest on the WARC bands -- A terrible idea
 
I was not asked nor ever agreed to said pact

When exactly did each of us do that actually?

If I am being held to my word l would like to know when I at least gave it

Ed. N1UR

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________________________________
 

From: Hans Brakob <kzerohb@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 6:41:16 PM
To: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>;cq-contest@contesting.com 
<cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] A DX Contest on the WARC bands -- A terrible idea

We made a pact with our non-contesting brothers that we’d stay off WARC.  We 
ought not break our word.


73, de Hans, KØHB
“Just a Boy and his Radio”™
________________________________
From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+kzerohb=gmail.com@contesting.com> on 
behalf of Edward Sawyer <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 12:04:38 PM
To: cq-contest@contesting.com <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] A DX Contest on the WARC bands -- A terrible idea

Too bad they changed it.  It would have brought some badly needed CW and SSB 
activity to the WARC bands.  It was hardly a contest in the normal contest 
sense.  Bouvet will bring A LOT more noise onto the bands when it appears that 
this suggested activity event would have.


Ed  N1UR
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