Hi Steve:
A boy and his radio category may be a good idea "tribander/wires anyone), but I
still think we need to retain single operator categories which are played on
the radio and without the internet and AI programs/robots.
73,
Mark, KD4D
On August 17, 2018 1:58:11 PM EDT, Stephen Bloom <sbloom@acsalaska.net> wrote:
>I think we're going to go round and round on this and overthink it to
>death. . I know that assisted vs. unassisted is a much bigger issue
>in NA than it is in EU. I'm not sure that is a good thing though.
>*NOT* having a "boy and his radio" category in some of the EU and OC
>contests probably discourages new and "casual" contesters from putting
>in their best efforts. Avoiding having a category because some will
>cheat is self defeating, especially when we are getting better at
>catching cheaters. Having said that :) what I sense is that folks
>want a "Boy and his radio" category. Given that, and .. just ignoring
>cheating, because, no matter what, some people will ..here is what I
>think would be the simplest way to resolve some of this ...and yes,
>each contest manager would have to implement it in a way that made
>sense for that contestA distinct
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>Why not just create a "Boy and His Radio" category. One operator, one
>radio, no use of assistance (and look, I know the devil is in the
>details, but really, assistance means acquiring data about who is on
>and on what frequency, using anything other than ones ears on that
>single radio.) The one open question would be, whether to allow SO2R
>as part of this. I'm 50-50 on this because, while SO2R is usually
>helpful, it varies widely by contest and you *CAN* win without it.
>It's also about to get a lot messier defining what is and isn't SOxR
>with the newest Flex radios being able to do it in one box, and no
>doubt other SDRs coming along with same. Still though, the "average
>guy" in this hobby has 1 radio, maybe a tribander and some wires, and
>often runs 100W. Something specifically attractive to them seems like
>a cool idea to me and who does it hurt?
>
>73
>Steve KL7SB
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf
>Of John
>Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 6:41 AM
>To: Yuri <ve3dz@rigexpert.net>
>Cc: Trent Sampson <vk4ts@outlook.com>; CQ-Contest@contesting.com
>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Assisted
>
>I don’t think it really matters what the real meaning of assisted and
>un-assisted is in the true meaning of the words. That has and no doubt
>will be debated ad infinitum.
>In the terms of contesting it is whatever the contest sponsors decide
>it is. They are the rules we play with. And as to the OP point about
>cheating. No amount of defining terms will stop cheating.
>John
>MM0JOM
>
>Sent from my iPad
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>> On 17 Aug 2018, at 14:33, Yuri <ve3dz@rigexpert.net> wrote:
>>
>> I think the definition of the category should be really based only on
>a number of operators and number of transmitted signals at a time.
>> Single OP or Multi Op (different numbers of TX's). That's it.
>> If a single Op can do what a bunch of people together can't - why
>should he be handicapped?
>> If he can utilize all of the technology and all by himself (without
>physical help of other people) - why should we call him assisted? Only
>because a bunch of "ordinary" people can't do the same?
>>
>> Of someone is using OCF dipole instead of monoband Yagi, or if
>someone doesn't have Internet in the shack - that's his own choice.
>Everyone else doesn't have to "downgrade" because of that.
>>
>> Yuri VE3DZ
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf
>Of Trent Sampson
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 5:47 PM
>> To: CQ-Contest@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Assisted
>>
>> Assisted is really not assisted - 2BSIQ Two Band Synchronised
>interleaved QSOs have left the assisted operator in its dust...
>> It is really time to reconsider whether Assisted is truly an
>advantage anymore and deserving of its own category...
>> Assisted by my definition is the sourcing of callsign, band and
>frequency information from any source other than your radio system.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com> On Behalf Of
>Stanley Zawrotny
>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2018 1:06 AM
>> To: CQ-Contest@contesting.com
>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Assisted
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Is remembering a well-known callsign assisted?
>>
>> Stan, K4SBZ
>>
>> "Real radio bounces off the sky."
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