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Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Assisted - Is it just another Urban Myth

To: "Holger@9h3m.com" <holger@9h3m.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Assisted - Is it just another Urban Myth
From: Stan Stockton <wa5rtg@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 04:41:52 -0500
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Holger,

Depends on your definition of assistance.  You need to have the sponsor's 
definition changed to make your argument. 

I think self spotting falls more in line with what's happening with the RBN.  
The RBN makes self spotting a non issue.  Every time you call CQ you are self 
spotting.  Without asking for any definition changes, I could make the argument 
that everyone should be disqualified if they call CQ on CW until such time as 
the self spotting rules are changed.

The only thing standing between the current situation and the demise of radio 
contesting as we know it is the unassisted category which does not allow code 
readers.  Once you allow code readers it is a matter of the time it will take 
for perfection of automated software and sequencing to create automated contest 
stations.

There are lots of operators who operate unassisted not because of WRTC but 
because that's the way they prefer to operate. There are others, believe it or 
not, who don't have Internet or go to places where they can't get Internet. I'm 
pretty sure if the WRTC gave as many points to assisted as unassisted without 
combining the categories, either for the contest or for WRTC qualifying, that 
the category would still be very popular.

Let's say you are right and everyone is assisted in some way because of packet 
and the RBN even though they are not using the RBN or packet for S&P.  Can you 
explain why it is important to you to combine the categories?  You have the 
ability to choose either category.  Is that a bad thing that you and everyone 
else has that choice?  Do you want to spoil the fun for those who want to 
compete against others where the multipliers are not spoon fed to them?  If so, 
WHY?

> To gain maximum points you have to enter SO unassisted. So the top operators 
> are forced to use those classes. And the main reason for endless pile ups are 
> not the super skills but the spotting assistance they get. Another driver is 
> the status given to those classes. Unassisted is established as the premium 
> over assisted. Look at the forms of awarding and acknowledging results. There 
> is a tone of discrimination when it comes to assisted class.

Great paragraph above.  Ever wonder why the WRTC qualifying doesn't give max 
points for assisted?  Could it be that the organizers believe that there is 
more skill in finding multipliers without having a list provided?

Endless pileups don't put any points on the board. Points get put on the board 
when the operator can manage to work 250-350 per hour out of that endless 
pileup.

Unassisted is the premium category.  Do you want to eliminate the premium 
category under the guise of combining?  Combining would indicate a merger of 
different aspects from each.  

What is proposed for no reason, good or otherwise, stated by anyone yet, is 
"elimination" of a category that many hundreds enjoy and don't want changed.

73. Stan, K5GO



> On Aug 1, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Holger@9h3m.com <holger@9h3m.com> wrote:
> 
> No top operator in any contest is unassisted! The moment you get spotted by 
> any skimmer or other Ham you get assistance! 
> Only because you don't use the cluster at your station does not make you 
> unassisted. 
> 
> I would like to see this acknowledged by more organisers in combining 
> assisted and unassisted classes. In my eyes not doing this is cheating 
> already! Especially since it is impossible to control this. 
> 
> The reason why the top operators join unassisted lays in the WRTC 
> qualification rules. To gain maximum points you have to enter SO unassisted. 
> So the top operators are forced to use those classes. And the main reason for 
> endless pile ups are not the super skills but the spotting assistance they 
> get. Another driver is the status given to those classes. Unassisted is 
> established as the premium over assisted. Look at the forms of awarding and 
> acknowledging results. There is a tone of discrimination when it comes to 
> assisted class.
> 
> We down in the Pacific know exactly about the power of cluster spots as only 
> after we get spotted we have runs!!! No one points antennas towards us 
> otherwise. If I do unassisted I can tell when I got spotted. I can even tell 
> you if it was a skimmer or dx-cluster. 
> 
> If you can't arrange to block unassisted claiming operators from getting 
> spotted on any network you are operating assisted no matter what you claim.
> Pleas stop lying to yourself!
> 
> 73 Holger- ZL3IO/ZM4T
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