Hi Mark
my example for country top finish was wrong, here is what rules say:
C. Audio Recordings: Any single operator entrant (see V.A.1) competing for
a top three finish at the (a) World, (b) Continent, or (c) USA levels, must
record the transmitted and received audio as heard by the operator for the
duration of the contest operation
What i think is that you dont know if competing for a top three contienent,
maybe is not your idea but if the tops on this category are DQ and you are
on the top of the list, will be good to have the audio recording, just in
case CC asked for it.
Soo seems that will be better that ALL people in the single operator
entrant (see V.A.1) made the audio recording.
Bob said: If you do not cheat it will not be likely you will be asked for
anything, but this is 100% sure, I dont think so. You must have the audio
recording to prove you are not cheating
73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W
2017-04-18 22:54 GMT-03:00 <w5ov@w5ov.com>:
> Yes, Mark;
>
> Your interpretation is precisely correct.
>
> 73,
>
> Bob W5OV
>
> On Tue, April 18, 2017 7:48 pm, Mark wrote:
> > Hi Bob
> >
> >
> > If I may clarify your reply on this topic. Are you saying:
> >
> >
> > 1. The Committee will only request audio recordings where they believe
> > an entrant has breached the rules. 2. In this instance where the
> Committee
> > asks for an audio recording and it is not supplied then they may DQ the
> > entrant. 3. Accordingly an entrant will never be asked to supply an
> audio
> > recording simply for the sake of it and then DQ'd solely because they
> > cannot do so.
> >
> > If this is the case (and it sounds fair to me) can I suggest it goes in
> > the FAQs?
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> > Mark ZL3AB
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Dave Edmonds <dave@pkministrywebs.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Bob,
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks for giving the participants more insight into what's happening
> >> behind the 'closed doors' of the contest. I'm an admin for the SCQP and
> >> I
> >> can identify with your philosophy etc.
> >>
> >> In early 2015, just coming off of the ARRL Centennial, I was working a
> >> state QP. I read the rules and knew how to play the contest. After about
> >> 6
> >> hours into the contest when it got very slow, I self-spotted on the
> >> cluster. I knew the rules, but after self-spotting on and off during
> >> the Centennial, it was almost a habit. A second after I pressed the
> >> "Enter"
> >> key, I realized that I broke the rules and bowed out of the contest with
> >> a higher score than the ultimate winner. We've all been there... It was
> >> a lesson learned. What good is winning if you didn't play it straight.
> >>
> >> I've got a digital recorder hooked to the headphone jack of my IC-751
> >> for recording purposes. My only problem is that battery life is short
> >> and it's just one more thing to have to monitor during a contest..I'll
> >> try to keep it going during the next WW or other major contest.
> >>
> >> 73s Dave WN4AFP
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 7:48 PM, <w5ov@w5ov.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Dave,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Seriously, in all of this, there is one way to avoid all of it. Do
> >>> not cheat. It is as simple as that. If you do not cheat it will not
> >>> be likely you will be asked for anything.
> >>>
> >>> If you do cheat, with the proliferation of all kinds of data
> >>> available and SDR recordings on every continent, contest adjudicators
> >>> can determine what was going on very easily.
> >>>
> >>> As has been seen this year, many more stations were caught and
> >>> disqualified than ever before. Last year was the same. The trend of
> >>> increasing disqualifications is likely to continue. If cheating is
> >>> still rampant, then disqualifications will increase. Maybe, the
> >>> higher likelihood of getting caught will reduce the number of those
> >>> who will cheat next year? I certainly hope so. It would be nice not
> >>> to have so many disqualifications.
> >>>
> >>> Remember too, that MORE warnings were issued this year than there
> >>> were disqualifications! So, there could have been more DQs had the
> >>> evidence been more compelling.
> >>>
> >>> The behavior of cheaters is that they apparently believe that it is
> >>> impossible to "prove" cheating. While if we use the same standards as
> >>> required in a court of law, we might not, but this is amateur radio
> >>> contesting and we have a team of experienced contesters looking at
> >>> all evidence available, and collectively, what is possible and what is
> >>> likely is taken into consideration. Allowing for people who don't
> >>> know better, or are beginners is also taken into account - if the
> >>> entrants are forthright and helpful in the analysis.
> >>>
> >>> So, what do you do? Obey the rules. Do not cheat. You will likely
> >>> get caught. If you happen to win something, and do not cheat, great!
> >>>
> >>> Those who won this year were not asked for recordings - because there
> >>> was no reason to ask them. Others, who were warned last year about
> >>> apparent cheating, and were explicitly told that if the behavior was
> >>> repeated, they would be asked for recordings. One or more did not
> >>> comply and their logs were converted to Checklogs as a result.
> >>>
> >>> The CQWW committee does not want to do this. Any thought otherwise
> >>> is simply incorrect.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Bob W5OV
> >>> CQWW Contest Committee
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, April 18, 2017 1:10 pm, Dave Edmonds wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Great comments... How about this scenario.....
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I start working the contest without a recording knowing that I
> >>>> would not be able to give it a 'competitive' effort due to the fact
> >>>> that my wife
> >>> and
> >>>> I
> >>>> are attending a wedding on Saturday. We'll on Saturday morning I
> >>> receive a
> >>>> call from the wedding party that the groom ran away with the maid
> >>>> of honor and the wedding was canceled..Now I'm not going to the
> >>>> wedding
> >>> and I
> >>>> can devote my weekend to the contest.... Oooopppps... I can't be
> >>>> competitive because I could win a top 3 spot in the USA and if I
> >>>> win I could be DQ'ed.
> >>>>
> >>>> What do I do?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> A. Don't work the contest competitively (that's no fun).
> >>>> B. Work the contest competitively and submit a check log (that's no
> >>>> reward). C. Work the contest competitively, submit a log and bet on
> >>>> the contest committee not requesting a recording. D. Blow off the
> >>>> contest
> >>> and
> >>>> find another wedding to attend.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thoughts?
> >>>> Dave@wn4afp.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Mark <markzl3ab@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> The CQ WW Committee blog post about audio recording is a bit of
> >>>>> surprise to me. Up until now I had figured audio recording would
> >>>>> only be an issue in Oceania for the serious entrants (i.e. entries
> >>>>> with lots of QSOs and/or hours on the air). In Oceania a casual
> >>>>> entry of 1-200
> >>> Qs
> >>>
> >>>>> could easily put you in the top three of just about any single op
> >>>>>
> >>> single
> >>>>> band category, assuming the category even had three entrants (I
> >>>>> won the Oceania CW 40m QRP
> >>>>> assisted category and set a new record with one QSO and two points
> >>>>> a
> >>> few
> >>>>> years back). In its post the committee quotes the Asian 160m low
> >>>>> power category. Looking at the 2016 SSB results there were no
> >>>>> entrants in that category (assuming there wasn't an entrant(s) who
> >>>>> was moved to
> >>> a
> >>>>> checklog for not audio recording) so any entry at all would have
> >>>>> won
> >>> it.
> >>>>> In Oceania
> >>>>> there was one entrant who made four QSOs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would pick most if not all ops who perceive themselves as
> >>>>> casual would not audio record their entry (or even know they had
> >>>>> to). Is it really the Committee's intention to DQ casual entrants
> >>>>> who end up in
> >>> the
> >>>>> top three due to a lack of other entrants, if they do not provide
> >>>>> an audio record? If so then I'd suggest the rules should be
> >>>>> amended to make it clear that any entry competitive or not which
> >>>>> ends up in the
> >>> top
> >>>>> three is subject to the audio recording requirement because
> >>>>> casual ops will not consider themselves competitive. It will of
> >>>>> course have the effect of decimating casual single category
> >>>>> entries in this part of world (such as it is) by ops who just
> >>>>> enter for fun but who do not want to run the risk of being
> >>>>> besmirched by a DQ. A better way (and it seems to me contesting is
> >>>>> heading this way in general) would be for entrants to be able to
> >>>>> enter any category they like but designate themselves as casual or
> >>>>> competitive. If casual then they would not need to provide an
> >>>>> audio record but could still be
> >>> listed
> >>>>> in the results database for their category (assuming they comply
> >>>>> with the other rules). However they would not eligible for a
> >>>>> certificate which would go to the highest competitive entries and
> >>>>> who of course would need to provide an audio record on request.
> >>>>> Also only
> >>>>>
> >>> competitive
> >>>>> entries would be eligible to set records and to be listed in the
> >>>>> top entrant lists in the results write up. At least this way an
> >>>>> entrant
> >>> can
> >>>>> make a conscious decision as to how they want their entry to be
> >>>>> treated rather than run the risk of a DQ if they are unlucky
> >>>>> enough to enter a category with less than three other entrants.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 73
> >>>>> Mark ZL3AB
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Dave Edmonds
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dave Edmonds
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> >>
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Jorge
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