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Re: [CQ-Contest] Self-spotting explanation from CQWW blog

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Self-spotting explanation from CQWW blog
From: W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 13:14:55 -0600
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N1MM allows spotting while in S&P mode. This works great until you forget to switch over and then you end up spotting all the people you are working on your run frequency. I did this by accident a couple of times and It was brought to my attention. This issue is do you trust the person that says I am just sending spots to really be sending spots. At this stage there are so many ways to receive spots anonymously that it becomes impossible to know for certain if a station is really "clean". You do the best you can and live with results and try to get better with tools to identify those breaking the rules.

W0MU

On 4/17/2017 12:52 PM, Barry wrote:
And I don't know if N1MM or the other Windows contest loggers offers it, but CT offered the ability to send spots without receiving them.

Barry W2UP

On 4/17/2017 09:10, Steve London wrote:
Just because you have internet connectivity does not mean you are using it to receive spots. There are commands on every DX cluster for disabling receipt of spots. For example, on an AR-node, "set/dx/output off". This way, you can send self-spots (or any spots) without receiving spots.

73,
Steve, N2IC

On 04/17/2017 07:47 AM, Rich Assarabowski wrote:
Mark:

Don't get me wrong, I'm in favor of keeping the single-op category, always have been. But prohibiting self-spotting in single-op unassisted means these enforcement issues will continue to hound us ... And if the rules are changed to allow self-spotting, how does one self-spot in single-op without the Internet?

That was my point.

--- Rich K1CC

-----Original Message-----
From: MARK BAILEY [mailto:kd4d@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 9:05 AM
To: cq-contest@contesting.com; Rich Assarabowski
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Self-spotting explanation from CQWW blog

Hi Rich:

I do not agree that forcing everyone who wants to compete onto the internet ("nail in the coffin for the single operator categories") is the right answer - I think we should retain single-operator categories.

Clearly, the assisted and multi-operator categories will continue to move more and more on to the internet (self-spotting, social media, etc.). There should continue to be single operator categories for the luddites like me who want the option to play on the radio - and these categories should prohibit self-spotting.

There may be cheating that cannot be detected, similar to the situation with power cheating and remote receivers, but that is not a sufficient reason to eliminate categories. Otherwise, we end up with a single category: "anything goes".

73,

Mark, KD4D

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