Re: Number 1 - Marathons are vaguely similar to ham radio contesting. The
Illinois Marathon had close to 800 entries this year. They can't all win.
There are age group categories, e.g. men's 20 to 30, 60 to 70, women's
categories for same groupings. But still only one overall winner, second
and third place, etc. So why do they do it?
Re: Number 4 - someone asked a ham why he still participated in the hobby
with internet being so prevalent, and he gave one of the best answers I
could've thought of - "Because I can feel the world turn." Internet is kind
of timeless - no indications of distance or time to the person you're
contacting. Ham radio DOES give you a feel for those things.
Radio was magic to me as a youngster and 50 years later it is still magic
to me. A lot of us probably feel that way. Maybe we're just different.
73, Zack W9SZ
On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Taylor Kelly <ve4xt@mymts.net> wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> This is great insight to how your son’s generation sees things.
>
> I don’t think it will make any difference to your son’s outlook, but I
> would just point out a few things, below:
>
>
> > On Dec 18, 2016, at 11:42 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com> wrote:
> >
> > I had the opportunity to talk to my son in more detail and ask him why
> contesting does not interest him. Here is what we discussed.
> >
> > 1. Cost to get in the game and have a chance to win is prohibitive.
> You need a great station, land, etc to really win or compete. The playing
> field is so unbalanced that it becomes a show stopper. For him he has no
> costs when at home. I consider my station modest with a 70 ft tower and
> land to put up Inv L's and full sized 80m verticals and some receiving
> antennas. I could do more but we have horses and they need to roam and are
> hell on things in the pasture.
> >
>
> Depends on what you mean by ‘win’. Win overall? From Montana? You’d need
> much more than the greatest station on Earth to win WW from Montana (just
> like from Manitoba!) With more realistic goals, ‘winning’ is indeed doable.
> You might not win overall, but you can win a region. Then there’s SS, where
> some elements of God’s gifts to stationdom work against you (really high
> top antennas, etc.).
>
> Don’t forget that Bruce, now ZF2NT, once travelled to Panama and using
> wires and a stick in the mud from a run-down shack not only won ARRL DX, he
> set a record that stood for some time. So it’s certainly possible to trade
> investment in hardware for investment in plane fares for a fun factor. Take
> a package to northern Jamaica and run W/VE whilst sipping on Red Stripe
> overlooking the Caribbean Sea.
>
> One doesn’t have to run like N6MJ to have fun.
>
>
> > 2. You have to invest a lot of time to get good. If he can not have a
> really good station then why invest the time to get good if you are not
> going to be able to really compete.
>
> Related to above.
>
> >
> > 2. The tools we use to contest, logging software, packet look like old
> dos programs. He called them ugly and boring. He is used to amazing
> graphics in games. I found this observation interesting. I feel that the
> tools we have are pretty good and give me what I want to see readily
> available. I was not expecting this answer.
> >
>
> Can’t argue this point. The software we have is superb to our needs, but
> it’s hardly attractive.
>
> > 3. He is far more interested in using packet where he can immediately
> chase things. Packet essentially gives him a list of things to do or
> goals. It is more visual so more interesting. He thought that more
> automated systems would be interesting. Young people and even us older
> folk expect things to happen much faster. They are the generation of
> instant satisfaction and some of that even rubs off on us older folk.
> >
>
> Is there a better time to be chasing DX spots than during a DX contest?
>
> > 4. Talking to someone over the airwaves is still pretty cool. You can
> instantly talk around the world if the right condx exist, but we can talk
> all over the world with our phones so it is not as amazing as it once was.
> >
>
> We’ve been superseded by technology.
>
> > 5. CW is interesting but he was surprised that we don't have better code
> readers. While he would like to learn the code time is once again the
> factor. They have so many other outlets for entertainment that it is hard
> to find time for all of them.
> >
> > 6. Results take far too long to come out
>
> Catch 22. We want quick results, but we also want the work done by
> volunteers and some want superhuman effort to catch cheating. Something’s
> gotta give.
>
> >
> > 7. He proposed that all participants use a scoreboard type system.
> Many of us have said this was something we need to do but have instead met
> with amazing resistance and a ton of excuses why people refuse to use it.
> A system where everyone can check it out and see what is going in in the
> contest. We are back to visuals.
> >
>
> I think that could work with the right safeguards in place.
>
>
> > 6. Playing radio in the car driving is fun because there is not much
> else to do but drive.
> >
> > 7. He has his general license but he does not have the technical skills
> or electronic knowledge to build a shack or decent station. I am not a
> great teacher especially to my own kids so I take some of the blame for
> this but it is hard to teach people things when they don't want to devote
> much time to it. I feel a reluctance to even try to do something without
> having the proper knowledge. A far cry from when I was young and tried all
> sorts of silly antennas and projects that mostly failed miserably but boy
> did I learn from those mistakes.
> >
> > That pretty much summed up our hour long conversation and I am no closer
> to figuring out how to sell ham radio and contesting to them. I hope some
> will find this information helpful and interesting.
> >
> > W0MU
> >
> >
> >
> >
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