Zack et al ..
Let's see what needs defining ..
2016-10-04 15:52 GMT+03:00 Zack Widup <w9sz.zack@gmail.com>:
> Apparently there are people who think that something like:
>
> Operator > control > radio > antenna > repeater > *internet* > repeater >
> antenna > control > operator
>
This is a typical VUHF repeater setup for a repeater QSO.
Right?
There are such equipment on at least also 10m band.
Using those repeaters is not according to the CQ WW rules as the repeater
antennas, receiver and transmitter are not located at the station.
> is the same thing as
>
> Operator > control > radio > antenna > antenna > radio > control > operator
>
This setup is a direct radio2radio QSO that does not have the repeater in
between.
This is a valid setup.
Please note, also
Operator > control > computer > network > computer > radio > antenna >
antenna > radio > control > operator
is a valid setup as the 'radio > antenna > antenna > radio' connection is
there.
This is the key for a legit contest QSO.
In case there is 'radio > antenna > antenna > radio' on the frequency and
mode defined by the contest rules, that is all you need for a legit QSO to
increase the score.
73,
Jukka OH6LI
>
> As far as I am concerned, the first is not purely radio because the actual
> path of the signal between stations is broken by an internet link. In the
> second case, the actual path from radio to radio is not broken and remains
> radio over the entire path. The "control" can be anything from a mic cable
> or keyer wire to a 5 mile microwave link to an internet connection. In the
> first case, I could talk to Australia over mostly an internet connection.
> The radio path may only be a couple miles at each end and is not subject to
> much QRM or QRN, if at all. In the second case, the radio signal itself
> travels the entire distance from me to Australia and is subject to the QRM,
> QRN, etc. that will happen on that path.
>
> 73, Zack W9SZ
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Jukka Klemola <jpklemola@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Also I am missing something.
> >
> >
> > The radio2radio QSO is.
> >
> >
> > Adding some more wire or anything fabricated between the operator and
> poewr
> > amplifier output is just an add-on that adds to complexity and subtracts
> > from MTBF.
> >
> > I have, between my lips and my transmitter, I have a bunch of relays,
> > capacitors and a transformer or two.
> > And there is a computer, it's whole infrastructure whatever there is ..
> > I had a computer that used two sound cards. When on phone, my spoken
> signal
> > went into one and came out from the other sound card before entering the
> > radio,
> >
> > And, when using computer voice keyer, it was all bits and going to the
> > radio in some sort pieces.
> >
> >
> > Adding something between the operator and the final driving computer
> before
> > the signal enters the final amplifier is a worse and more complex
> > installation than a case where a person speaks to microphone which is
> > directly coupled to some tube grid modulating the wave .. which would be
> > the other extreme.
> >
> >
> > Any of these add-ons does not and will not remove the radio2radio
> > connection we need to make a legit QSO.
> >
> >
> > 73,
> > Jukka OH6LI
> >
> > 2016-10-04 6:28 GMT+03:00 Ed Muns <ed@w0yk.com>:
> >
> > > 1. Non-remote operators are at all times communicating over wires.
> > >
> > > 2. Without wires, there would be no communications whatsoever with
> other
> > > operators.
> > >
> > > What exactly is your point, Paul?
> > >
> > > Ed W0YK
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________________
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Paul O'Kane
> > > Sent: 03 October, 2016 14:08
> > > To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> > > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] New Contesting Classification
> > >
> > > On 03/10/2016 21:03, Zack Widup wrote:
> > >
> > > > Exactly! I don't know why it is so hard for some people to grasp
> this.
> > If
> > > > the path between the transmitters/receivers of both stations is via
> the
> > > > aether, ionosphere, free space or whatever you want to call it, then
> > the
> > > > QSO is entirely by radio.
> > >
> > > Conversations take place between people.
> > > Telephone calls take place between people.
> > > QSOs take place between people.
> > >
> > > Here are two irrefutable facts about (almost) all remote
> > > operation.
> > >
> > > 1. Remote operators are at all times communicating over
> > > the internet.
> > >
> > > 2. Without the internet, there would be no communications
> > > whatsoever with other operators.
> > >
> > > Those who claim that remote operation is exactly the same
> > > as "hands-on" operation are in denial of those two facts.
> > >
> > > Please refer to
> > > www.ei5di.com/sdremote.html and
> > > www.ei5di.com/hunting1.html
> > >
> > > There's no more to be said :-)
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Paul EI5DI
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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