That paragraph has nothing to do with cheating.
I can trust my online gamer friend to have my back, do what is best for
the guild but I have no way to know if he is cheating, unless he/she
tells me or they get banned from the game. It happens all the time.
Feel free to google ban waves and MMO's.
Hey folks look over here and forget about cheating while we talk about
online gaming trust.
W0MU
On 8/24/2016 8:55 AM, Radio K0HB wrote:
Is this concept in play here? (Quoted from Tom's link)
"Guadagno found that "achievement" players were less likely to trust and
cooperate with other players, while "social" players exhibited higher
levels of self-disclosure. Her study further demonstrated that players are
more trusting of other players who are part of their guild—a group of
players who share a common chat channel, group identifier and play together
regularly, relative to players who belong to other guilds or are not in a
guild."
On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 09:43 Tom Frenaye <frenaye@pcnet.com> wrote:
Yes, I agree with Hans. Contesters probably cheat less than others when
it comes to ham radio activities, at least this study on a related subject
suggests it.
http://phys.org/news/2016-08-explores-online-gamers-psychology.html
-- Tom
At 01:53 AM 8/24/2016, AB7E wrote:
Fine for you to defend your friends, Hans, and you may be right.
But you've gone over into some stark raving fantasy world when you claim
that 99.99% of contesters don't cheat. There isn't any segment of humanity
anywhere that honest, and I find it hilarious that anybody would think that
hams are somehow more honest than the average human.
Studies, tests, and observations over decades by LOTS of different
sociologists prove that you aren't even close in your opinion. Deny it all
you want, but humans are wired to seek every advantage they can in almost
all situations, and it is only our learned behavior boundaries that hold us
back from breaking rules.
In real life people lie, they cheat, they dishonor, they fudge ... to one
degree or another depending upon the situation. And that's out in the open
with real stakes involved. What on earth makes you think that an
essentially random slice of the population (ham radio contesters) operating
with almost zero external scrutiny in an event with virtually no jeopardy
is going to magically be different??
And for heaven's sake quit with the neighborhood crap. Absolutely none
of my comments bear any relation to any contester I know because my
comments derive from reading I've done on the subject and observations I've
made during my 69 years on this earth involving people I've met in over 30
countries.
It would be interesting for someone to create a truly anonymous survey of
active contesters with the simple question "in all of your years of
contesting, can you honestly claim that you've never knowingly violated any
rule, no matter how trivial?" One of us is going to be very surprised by
the result.
Dave AB7E
On 8/23/2016 2:39 PM, Radio K0HB wrote:
My "neighborhood" of contesting and DX'ing friends are guys like NØAT,
KØKK, KØTO, KØIR, KØKX, KTØR(SK), KØFVF(SK), KØRC, KØSR, KØAD,
WØAIH, KØMD,
NØIJ, WØGJ, K4IU, KØMPH, etc.
There is NOBODY in that group, and hundreds more that I know now, and
have
known over my 50-some years in DX and Radio-sporting, that I can imagine
being outside the rules, even just a smidgen.
The interminable jeremiads crying "cheat" on CQ-Contest, mostly by noted
hams whose credentials I otherwise admire, is loutish and Ill-mannered.
It
insults the community of hams, 99.99% of who play by the rules.
If you know a cheater, well then turn him in; but don't condone the
widespread internet trashing of hams in general. We are better than that.
Your neighborhood may vary.
73, HB
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