Hi all:
Exactly. I only ask for a QSY ..when I'm running ...it's relatively
slow ..and late in the contest. I also never get offended if they say
no. In some contests I'm a fairly rare mult ..if I"m S&P and I'm
asked ....if at home ..I'll generally do it ...Given a solid state amp
and a high degree of automation ..it's easy to do. If I'm somewhere
where I need to retune an amp to do it ...generally no ..unless it is a
friend ...or things are very slow.
My whine was more about folks who only know "contest cw", or are using
code readers. Don't get me wrong ...I'm glad for the Qs ..and don't
wish to discourage anyone ..but a definite change between my first go
at this 30 plus years ago and now is ...it is hard to get the Q ...if
anything goes slightly out of "script." It's one reason I almost
always log the dupes now ..It's tougher to know whether the other
station actually logged it correctly ..plus a request for a fill seems
to almost always end up with a repeat of the entire exchange.
Now to go chase some kids off of my lawn!
73
Steve KL7SB
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 07:40:42 -0600, "ve4xt@mymts.net" wrote:
Wow. I'd never ask a station running to QSY, and certainly
wouldn't be such a knob as to berate someone for not. I don't mind
getting the question when I'm s&p, but I don't feel beholden to agree,
even though I normally do.
I was asked once while I was running, and while I wasn't doing SO2R, I
did have another radio ready to go. So I told the guy to call me there.
Kept an ear on his target frequency and kept running. Heard nothing on
the target frequency. He came back to my run frequency and asked
"Aren't you going to move?" I told him again, call me there, I'm
listening. Nothing.
Maybe it was just propagation, but I did hear others from his area on
that second band. I suspect it was just a scam to usurp my run
frequency.
Steve, you weren't asking folks on their run frequency to chase you,
were you? If so, I don't blame them for not.
73, kelly, ve4xt
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On Feb 26, 2016, at 2:20 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
Steve,
I can't speak for any other little pistol or squirt gun out there,
but over the years I've learned a bit of a distaste when someone asks
me to QSY to another band.
I've had the request made on one of those rare times I have a run
frequency going. If I've got people calling me, I'm not leaving.
Worse, I've had people ask this, I would go and work the other band
(and I don't always have propagation at the time), and on my return
find that the station that asked me "as a courtesy" was now working
my run frequency as his.
When I'm doing S&P, again, I may not have propagation to that part of
the world on the other band at that time. And I may have other
reasons for not wanting to QSY at that time.
But the biggest reason I've come to dislike the requests... when (and
this happens primarily on voice modes) I'm asked and I decline, the
other guy starts giving me an argument. I'm in the middle of a run, I
have a half-dozen people calling, and someone wants me to stop cold
and discuss why I want to stay put, or don't want to go to another
band right then and there?
Now, I don't mind if, while doing S&P, the op of a M/2 or M/M tells
me that their other station is on, well, whatever frequency.
Especially during the Sunday "doldrums". As long as they simply
mention it. Again, though, when the other op demands to know why
not... I mean, really. It's not like a W3 from PA is exactly rare,
and I get that they'd like to maximize the number of Q's on each
band. So please don't take it personally if I don't QSY to another
band. 73, ron w3wn
On 02/26/16, sbloom@acsalaska.net wrote:
I'm not sure changing the exchange is realistic (though man that *IS*
a great idea) ...but I will comment that I find it increasingly
difficult to communicate *anything* other than the contest exchange
with most folks. I always try to get guys late in the contest
..if/when things are slow ..to QSY to other bands ..and I'm probably
down to 1 or 2 in 10 ...giving me any answer at all ..yes or no ...no
matter how much I QRS. Probably not much that can be done ..as code
readers become more popular ..but it does suck. 73
Steve KL7SB
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 16:09:21 -0500, Jeff Clarke wrote:
A simple solution. Make the callsign part of the exchange like SS.
For example if I work P40W he would send KU8E P40W 5NN 5. There were
several stations this past weekend in ARRL DX that wouldn't even send
their call until they weren't being called by anyone anymore. Some
others would work between 5-10 stations before they sent their call.
I blame alot of this problem on the dumbing down of DX contesting
(and DXing in general) caused by packet spotting. Most casual DX
contesters like SOA and just click on packet spots and work people.
No skill needed anymore to copy a call or have any knowledge about
propagation to know which band to be on to maximize your score. To me
it's similar to catching fish in a barrel. Those on the other end of
the pileup know this and this is why they don't ID frequently. It's
very frustrating for those who still like to be unassisted. It's
obvious to me that many of these people also can't copy CW other then
their own call. I had a situation on 15 CW Sunday morning in ARRL CW
that I had a bunch of dupes that started calling me. Someone had
probably spotted my call wrong. It was amazing to me that many of
those that called were well known contest calls. They still called
even though I was sending my call every QSO. I checked the spots of
my callsign after the contest and that's exactly what happened. It
wasn't until someone spotted me with the comment "call correction"
that the dupes stopped. BTW, I'm not against SOA. I guess I'm just
old fashioned because it's just not challenging to me. I like to find
stations and band openings on my own. That's more thrilling to me. To
each his own. If you get a thrill from clicking on spots all weekend
long, more power to you. Kudos to guys like K3WW and AA3B who have
good stations, are great run operators and they know how to
interleave spots between their runs to maximize their score. Jeff KU8E
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