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Re: [CQ-Contest] Distance-Based Scoring

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Distance-Based Scoring
From: W0MU <w0mu@w0mu.com>
Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 00:58:20 -0600
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Maybe the ARRL should take his advice and start promoting these regional winners and DE-emphasing the overall winner.

Does coming in 1st place Rocky Mountain mean anything when you finish 5 million points behind the Atlantic winner.

This sounds more like lets give everyone a ribbon and a trophy and lets go on our way.

There will never be a 100 percent fair contest but we fail by not even trying to make it better. Is this simply a case of East coast bias and influence and the old boys club getting in the way of progress.

There sure seem to be a lot of folks outside the Atlantic area that would appreciate some consideration to changing things up in DX contests.

On 5/26/2015 4:17 PM, Alan Dewey via CQ-Contest wrote:
I agree with Ward on this one.  The ARRL CAC looked at distance based scoring 
in minute detail a while back for ARRL DX and concluded that it was not the way 
to go.  There were just too many disparities with propagation.  Our 
recommendations were more along the lines of regional based scoring as 
suggested below.  Sure one could argue that regional based scoring  waters down 
the competition and results in too many awards but the reality of the situation 
is that comparing scores between areas with drastically different propagation 
to the high mult / highly populated areas of the world also has problems.

73,

Al, K0AD




-----Original Message-----
From: Ward Silver <hwardsil@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tue, May 26, 2015 4:20 pm
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Distance-Based Scoring


In any contest on bands for which there is a skip zone, distance-based
scoring
will not work.  Imagine how hard it is to work a station on 10
meters 200
miles away by backscatter compared to, say, 2500 miles away
by F2 skip.
Distance-based scoring works on 160 and 80, sometimes it
would work on 40,
mostly it won't work on 20-10 or 6 meters.  It might
be worthwhile on 2 meters
and higher-frequency bands.

Nor is there a handicapping system that equalizes
the vagaries of
propagation between wildly different locations that is not in
itself
wildly complicated.  Believe me, I've tried over the years to imagine a

system that would actually work.  They would have to be redesigned every

single year and then be adjusted based on propagation during the actual

contest.  Perhaps there's a doctoral thesis or two in there but not a

contest scoring system.

My opinion is that regional-based reporting and
operator comparison
works a lot better and is actually close to comparing
apples to apples.
The WRTC qualification systems move in that general
direction although
for really big regions (Africa, Oceania, etc) there isn't
enough
granularity to achieve the desired purpose. Think about a sort of RRTC
-
Regional Radiosport Team Championships.

If we put the amount of energy
spent chasing impossible weighting and
scoring systems into recognizing the
really great efforts and
accomplishments among regional peers, it would
benefit everyone. Sponsor
a regional plaque or a regional competition or
contribute a regional
writeup to the sponsors or create a regional rating
system - all quite
doable, costs little, promotes the contest, recognizes good
efforts -
what's not to like?  Of course, that would require *us* to do
something
instead of the sponsors :-)

73, Ward
N0AX
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