If you want to attract youngsters to the hobby its pretty simple, you have to
invest YOUR time by attending general purpose radio clubs regularly and
inviting younger hams (or any ham with even the slightest interest) in
contesting to take a "seat" at your contest station during an event.
It is not about apps, its about elmering...
73,
Eric NM5M
http://www.dfwcontest.com
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3. Re: Where are all the young radiosport folks? (Gerry Treas
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4. Re: Where have all the young ones gone? courtesy of Pete
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Message:
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 22:31:03 -0400
From: "Tim Duffy" <k3lr@k3lr.com>
To:
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Subject: [CQ-Contest] 23rd Annual Dayton Contest
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The annual Dayton Contest Dinner will be held
on Saturday night May 16th at
the Crowne Plaza in downtown
Dayton.
Contesters from all over the world will attend.
Master of
Ceremonies is WWROF Chairman John Dorr, K1AR
Our special guest speaker is
ARRL President Kay Craigie, N3KN.
CQ Contest Hall of Fame class of 2015 will
be announced by CQWW Contest
Director Randy Thompson, K5ZD
Main prize is the
Icom IC-7600 high performance transceiver (thanks Icom
America)
All of the
Dayton contest dinner details are here:
http://contestdinner.com
73,
Tim
K3LR
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr
2015 23:10:12 +0200
From: "Bokverket" <info@bokverket.com>
To:
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Subject: [CQ-Contest] Where have all the young ones
gone? courtesy of
Pete Seeger
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Reading Colin's post, the ham radio
contesting community must have made
some mistake somewhere along the road.
Where is the prize money? Big outlay
for antenna farms, a diploma as reward.
ESports small outlay for the app,
big rewards in terms of ad money as you are
watched playing on YouTube,
sponsors etc.
Ad money goes where the audiences
are. Of course YouTube and related
technology was not available "back then",
but with the fabled inventiveness
of hams, why didn't we invent it? Like we
(VE3...) did with the Skimmer,
DX cluster, repeaters. And seriously, judging
from some YouTube clips of
contesters, what's the fun watching someone yelling
CQ contest and saying
some strange letters plus typing at a keyboard and
staring at some dials?
Best,
reminiscencing,
Goran/SM0DRD
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Message:
3
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 16:44:20 -0400
From: Gerry Treas K8GT
<k8gt@mi.rr.com>
To: Colin Jenkins <colin@ku5b.com>,
cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Where are all the young
radiosport folks?
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Well, you have to remember
that Ham Radio was "cutting edge" technology
for the average public at the
time of Sputnik (1957). I was licensed in
1959 with a large number of
teenagers that were technologically inclined
at the time.
Things have
changed and there are so many other technological fields of
interest. The
general public's image of Ham Radio is "old fashioned",
although we have been
doing a pretty good job of publicizing amateur
radio activities over the last
15-20 years, but we do need to do more.
Also demonstrating to kids that we do
"real time" live contesting.
On the other hand, a long time friend who had a
Novice license in 1959
but never upgraded, and is involved with model
railroading and has held
offices in the National Model Railrod Association,
says that they are
having the same problems recruiting young people. Model
railroading has
also kept up with technology with digital control of multiple
trains all
on the same track as well as micro cameras installed in the
trains.
The field of remote control airplanes, cars, boats, etc. has also
seen
a large drop off of new members. Most "old style" hobbies have seen the
same drop offs. It's a sign of the times.
But I have participated in
setting up a station for a school to
communicate with the ISS. From that we
had two of the teachers involved
attend the ARRL Teacher's Institute last
summer and both now have their
Technician licenses, and we had 15 students
sign up as interested in Ham
radio.
I'm now working with another school in
the metro Detroit area for a
contact with the ISS sometime this year, in the
late fall.
We do have young people entering ham radio and contesting, just
not
nearly as many as in the past. I teach a Technician Class license class
in the evening at Lawrence Institute of Technology, but haven't had many
young people in those classes, but in my last class I had a female
student
at LTU get her Technician Class license and is now KE8AAA.
So we all need to
work at it. It is primarily letting them know that
ham radio exists and all
the neat "newfangled" and "old fashioned"
things that we do. Invite some
young folks out to field day while we
work other stations via satellite, use
new digital modes, or use old
fashioned voice and CW. Show them the fun that
we have without relying
on "commercial infrastructure".
73, Gerry,
K8GT
On 21-Apr-15 23:35, Colin Jenkins wrote:
> We're here, but most of
the other younger guys I know don't read or post to
> CQ-Contest.
>
> eSports
and competitive gaming popularity is growing at great speed. You'll
> find that
there are very many games that boast professional groups
> sponsored by a
myriad of gaming and eSport companies. Some of the more
> popular games include
Counter Strike:GO, World of Warcraft, and League of
> Legends.Teams like Virtus
Pro, Cloud9, and Na'vi are professional teams;
> practicing many hours a day
and competing on international levels year
> round. For these gamers, this is
their job.
>
> The difference between these two activities (both of which I
enjoy
> immensely) is the level of sponsorship and ability to earn an income
by
> playing these games. For example, Twitch allows anyone to stream video
>
games live to the entire community. I've seen viewer numbers hit over 100k
>
during certain competitive events. Don't get me wrong; I absolutely enjoy
>
running pileups, meeting new people at multi-ops, and learning more about
>
station engineering but it is merely for my own enjoyment and at my own
> cost.
Having the ability to stream and make money from streaming video
> games is
becoming increasingly easier (even via mobile devices now).
>
> I've struggled
with how to get younger guys into the hobby for quite some
> time and don't
really have a concrete answer (perhaps because there may not
> be a concrete
answer), but I think there are more out there than realized.
> The World Wide
Young Contesters chat room is quite active during the day
> with many under 30.
Heck, even some of the top ops frequent the room.
>
> eSports are here to stay
and only going to grow further with the advent of
> streaming platforms. I, for
one, have always enjoyed watching streams from
> contest stations. Perhaps this
is something to ponder.
>
> Colin KU5B
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 08:17:30 -0500
From: "Keith Dutson"
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To: "'Bokverket'"
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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest]
Where have all the young ones gone? courtesy
of Pete Seeger
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No mistake in the USA, where making money with
ham radio is against the law.
I am involved in all sorts of projects to
enrich ham radio, but rarely find
ANY ham willing to help. I am always looking
for a way to turn this
attitude around.
73, Keith NM5G
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Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 4:10 PM
To:
cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Where have all the young ones
gone? courtesy of Pete
Seeger
Reading Colin's post, the ham radio
contesting community must have made
some mistake somewhere along the road.
Where is the prize money? Big outlay
for antenna farms, a diploma as reward.
ESports small outlay for the app,
big rewards in terms of ad money as you are
watched playing on YouTube,
sponsors etc.
Ad money goes where the audiences
are. Of course YouTube and related
technology was not available "back then",
but with the fabled inventiveness
of hams, why didn't we invent it? Like we
(VE3...) did with the Skimmer, DX
cluster, repeaters. And seriously, judging
from some YouTube clips of
contesters, what's the fun watching someone yelling
CQ contest and saying
some strange letters plus typing at a keyboard and
staring at some dials?
Best,
reminiscencing,
Goran/SM0DRD
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 09:23:37 -0400
From: K4XS via CQ-Contest
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To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re:
[CQ-Contest] Where are all the young radiosport folks?
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We're missing one other important component here. Most of
today's young
people have been brought up in the "instant gratification"
world. You have
to study to get a radio license and it takes time to get
it.
Not so with gaming. You buy the game and play. Yes, it takes time to
get
good at whatever game it is, but there is no initial work and you to get
to play the game immediately. Ham radio is quite different in that
respect.
K4XS
In a message dated 4/23/2015 10:05:22 A.M. Coordinated
Universal Tim,
k8gt@mi.rr.com writes:
Well, you have to remember that
Ham Radio was "cutting edge" technology
for the average public at the time of
Sputnik (1957). I was licensed in
1959 with a large number of teenagers that
were technologically inclined
at the time.
Things have changed and there
are so many other technological fields of
interest. The general public's
image of Ham Radio is "old fashioned",
although we have been doing a pretty
good job of publicizing amateur
radio activities over the last 15-20 years,
but we do need to do more.
Also demonstrating to kids that we do "real time"
live contesting.
On the other hand, a long time friend who had a Novice
license in 1959
but never upgraded, and is involved with model railroading
and has held
offices in the National Model Railrod Association, says that
they are
having the same problems recruiting young people. Model railroading
has
also kept up with technology with digital control of multiple trains all
on the same track as well as micro cameras installed in the trains.
The
field of remote control airplanes, cars, boats, etc. has also seen
a large
drop off of new members. Most "old style" hobbies have seen the
same drop
offs. It's a sign of the times.
But I have participated in setting up a
station for a school to
communicate with the ISS. From that we had two of
the teachers involved
attend the ARRL Teacher's Institute last summer and
both now have their
Technician licenses, and we had 15 students sign up as
interested in Ham
radio.
I'm now working with another school in the metro
Detroit area for a
contact with the ISS sometime this year, in the late
fall.
We do have young people entering ham radio and contesting, just not
nearly as many as in the past. I teach a Technician Class license class
in
the evening at Lawrence Institute of Technology, but haven't had many
young
people in those classes, but in my last class I had a female
student at LTU
get her Technician Class license and is now KE8AAA.
So we all need to work
at it. It is primarily letting them know that
ham radio exists and all the
neat "newfangled" and "old fashioned"
things that we do. Invite some young
folks out to field day while we
work other stations via satellite, use new
digital modes, or use old
fashioned voice and CW. Show them the fun that we
have without relying
on "commercial infrastructure".
73, Gerry,
K8GT
On 21-Apr-15 23:35, Colin Jenkins wrote:
> We're here, but most of
the other younger guys I know don't read or post
to
> CQ-Contest.
>
>
eSports and competitive gaming popularity is growing at great speed.
You'll
> find that there are very many games that boast professional
groups
> sponsored by a myriad of gaming and eSport companies. Some of the
more
> popular games include Counter Strike:GO, World of Warcraft, and League
of
> Legends.Teams like Virtus Pro, Cloud9, and Na'vi are professional
teams;
> practicing many hours a day and competing on international levels
year
> round. For these gamers, this is their job.
>
> The difference
between these two activities (both of which I enjoy
> immensely) is the level
of sponsorship and ability to earn an income by
> playing these games. For
example, Twitch allows anyone to stream video
> games live to the entire
community. I've seen viewer numbers hit over
100k
> during certain
competitive events. Don't get me wrong; I absolutely enjoy
> running pileups,
meeting new people at multi-ops, and learning more about
> station engineering
but it is merely for my own enjoyment and at my own
> cost. Having the ability
to stream and make money from streaming video
> games is becoming increasingly
easier (even via mobile devices now).
>
> I've struggled with how to get
younger guys into the hobby for quite some
> time and don't really have a
concrete answer (perhaps because there may
not
> be a concrete answer), but
I think there are more out there than
realized.
> The World Wide Young
Contesters chat room is quite active during the day
> with many under 30.
Heck, even some of the top ops frequent the room.
>
> eSports are here to
stay and only going to grow further with the advent
of
> streaming
platforms. I, for one, have always enjoyed watching streams
from
> contest
stations. Perhaps this is something to ponder.
>
> Colin KU5B
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 09:20:57 -0500
From: Charles Sanders
<no5w.chuck@gmail.com>
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: [CQ-Contest]
Pile Up Practice
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It's only a few weeks until Dayton and the ever
popular Saturday night
KCDXC CW Pile Up Competition.
In case you're feeling
a little rusty and think a warm-up using past
competitions would be helpful
point your browser to the PileUpNet Practice
page of my web site
www.no5w.com.
>From there you can download the player application used at
Dayton along
with a number of past competitions including two new ones: 2014
Dayton and
WRTC 2014. Recent competitions, including those two, support
playback (in
Morse Race fashion) of your best efforts against the top operators
that
participated in the actual event and allow you to review segments of
the
audio where you sprinted ahead or lagged behind the top dogs.
Feel free
to email off list if you have questions but I will probably be
incommunicado
until after this weekend's Florida QSO
Party.
73/Chuck/NO5W
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