We can pick the fly-shit out of the pepper-pot all day, but this is a
completely moot question right out of the gate.
Any prize other than "bragging rights" (i.e., certificate, medal on a
ribbon, or walnut plaque) which could be considered a "valuable
consideration", such as cash or an item convertible to significant cash
(i.e.., "a brand new 8000 dollar radio"), and you've moved the contest from
"amateur Radiosport" to "professional Radiosport", where the participants
strive for compensation.
This might appeal to some small group of affluent hams or "clubs", but it
would be the end of contesting by us "amateurs". We would not likely
contribute points to a fray in which the winners (which we have no hope to
be) would be "paid".
73, de Hans, K0HB
-----Original Message-----
From: VK4TS Trent Sampson
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:18 PM
To: 'Joe' ; 'Radio K0HB' ; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Where have all the young ones gone? courtesy of
Pete Seeger
It would depend on the regularity of the income - Under a one off it would
be treated as "gambling winnings" and not as a specific income. If however
you won every prize contest and only entered them it could easily be argued
that you are professional contester. Are we really having this conversation
or am I still dreaming :-)
VK4TS
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe
Sent: Friday, 24 April 2015 4:34 AM
To: Radio K0HB; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Where have all the young ones gone? courtesy of
Pete Seeger
so, how about taking this to the extreme if someone won say CQWWCW and the
prize if there was one was a brand new 8000 dollar radio,
Legal?
Joe WB9SBD
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On 4/23/2015 1:30 PM, Radio K0HB wrote:
Actually, Joe, the FCC doesn't say you can't be paid.
It says your operations as a ham must be "without pecuniary interest".
Now receiving a "fancy certificate, suitable for framing" might be
loosely be interpreted as "being paid", but it does not rise to the
level of "pecuniary interest".
The term "pecuniary interest" has quite a narrow legal and financial
definition which involves money or instruments negotiable for cash,
not plaques or certificates.
73, de Hans, K0HB
-----Original Message----- From: Joe
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:35 PM
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Where have all the young ones gone? courtesy
of Pete Seeger
Is it a gray line here?
I always wondered about this some. Is a "Prize" being getting paid to
operate the radio?
To me is isn't because there is no guarantee you're going to get
anything for operating the radio.
If you place last you don't get anything, if you place like in the top
ten you get a piece of paper, so no problems there.
But if you place first, in many contests you get a pretty nice plaque
to display. I have one right here on my wall from taking first place
in the Wisconsin QSO Party Single Op Fixed station in 1989. Now while
that chunk of walnut wood with the brass engraving isn't worth a K3.
but it does have value does it not? At least personally to me is does.
even tho monetarily it is not a lot.
BUT if you really wanted to be picky did I not get paid something by
getting that plaque by operating my radio?
There must be a positive way to differ between a Paid vs a prize. ya
know?
But of course wouldn't it be cool that if it was possible in some of
the ultra major contests to be able to win something. like a radio or
something.
Joe WB9SBD
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