Mike,
You have already spent more time on this non-issue than you have spent
operating SS in the past 5 years. The ARRL scores database shows that in
the previous 5 years (10 SS contests - phone + CW), you operated once
for a total of 10 hours.
Hope to see you this weekend, as well as two weekends later.
73,
Steve, N2IC
On 10/29/2013 09:57 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
Two posters that are willing to address the issue has spoken on a
reflector that is not encompassing of all contesters.
Please site specific examples from the rules posted at the ARRL official
site http://www.arrl.org/sweepstakes that says that operations over 24
hours are permitted.
I will quote again from the front page of the OFFICIAL Sweepstakes site
under OPERATING TIME.
"All stations may operate no more than 24 of the 30 hours."
This is as clear as it can get. This is the official published rules
from the ARRL website. Please detail how it would be acceptable to
continue to operate after your 24 hours are up.
The clear reading of the RULES says that operation over 24 hours is NOT
allowed.
Mike W0MU
On 10/29/2013 9:39 AM, w5gn@mxg.com wrote:
An intelligent reading of the RULES, which only two posters seem to be
unable to do,
show they ONLY address the SCORING and not what you can do with
respect to operating
hours.
Plus we have already had a posting (prior to MANY of YOUR recent
posts, Mike) that
cited exactly how the ARRL processing of the log works, which
legalizes any contacts
(NOT FOR YOUR SCORE) after the 24 hours of SCORED QSOs have been counted.
As K0HB pointed out, sea-lawyering is not needed here.
73
Barry, EI/W5GN
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf
Of W0MU Mike Fatchett
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:51 AM
To: w5gn@mxg.com; 'Radio K0HB'; CQ Contest
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Ethics of operating overtime in SS
Can you please site the misinformation in my post?
Can you site the rules that allow you to operate more than 24 hours in
sweepstakes? Where is the written official notification to all
contesters that this is now an accepted practice? The sponsor stated
an opinion to a select individual or group. If the rules have changed
then simply update them on the website so EVERYONE is aware of it.
Mike W0MU
On 10/29/2013 6:25 AM, w5gn@mxg.com wrote:
I agree that MU is more interested in spouting misinformation that
sharing useful comments, and sealawyering is the appropriate label,
when he tries to pick apart the rules for scoring to create his own
constraints that the sponsor has clearly defined don't exist.
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf
Of Radio K0HB
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 6:36 PM
To: W0MU Mike Fatchett
Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Ethics of operating overtime in SS
The contest sponsor has stated that you can operate beyond 24 hours
but only your first 24 hours will be scored.
Thus there is no competitive reward to the station which operates
more than 24 hours, yet if a player elects to continue to dispense
Q's (especially in a scarce mult such as VE4) it is a benefit to
other players. There is no downside that I can discern, other than
the overtime station may actually boost the score of a direct
competitor, thus disadvantage themselves.
The sea-lawyering in protest puzzles me, particularly when the
sponsor has blessed the practice.
73, de Hans, K0HB
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com>
wrote:
The rules are pretty clear. Apparently what they are doing wit the
logs is contrary to the rules. Maybe the rules should be more
clearly written. Why have rules that you don't enforce?
It is pretty clear that the rules say to operate 24 of the 30. They
do not say if you operate more than 24 hours your score will be
determined by the first 24 hours of operation.
So what is it ARRL?
Mike W0MU
On 10/28/2013 2:24 PM, Ed Muns wrote:
It may be against your interpretation of the rules but it is how the
ARRL handles the logs.
Ed W0YK
Kelly VE4XT wrote:
That might work for WW with a 'classic' overlay, but it's against
the rules in SS. They specifically say off time is 'without
operating.'
2.4. All entries may operate no more than 24 of the 30 hours.
2.5. Off periods may not be less than 30 minutes in length.
2.6. Times off and on must be clearly noted in paper logs. In
electronically-submitted Cabrillo logs, off-times are calculated by
the log-checking software.
2.7. Listening time counts as operating time.
When your 24 hours are up, they're up. The rule was designed that
way to prevent operators from working the entire contest and only
claiming credit for the best 24.
There's no provision for operating more than 24 hours and only
claiming 24 hours, nor is there a provision for leaving the receiver
on so as not to miss a band opening.
Which doesn't mean you cannot start a separate entry by operating at
a different location under a different call sign and starting at
zero QSOs and zero mults.
73, kelly
ve4xt
On 10/28/13 12:44 PM, "Ed Muns" <w0yk@msn.com> wrote:
Please don't submit two logs under the same callsign, each from a
different
part of the contest period. The most recent submitted log will
replace
all
prior logs.
Instead, include all QSOs in one log and let the log check software
score the first 24 hours. No one is penalized for operating beyond
a time
limit.
The additional QSOs are not counted in your score, but they are
needed to verify the other logs. Any QSO left out will cause a NIL
in the other
log.
Ed W0YK
Hans K0HB wrote:
Submit a log for the first 24 hours; then a second check log for
the remaining Q's. Who would fault the ethics of that?
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