Fabio,
The only problem is that we have only heard your side and I do not
expect to hear the evidence that CQ has as their process is closed.
Maybe they found other things and maybe they did not. I applaud CQ for
keeping this information private. I suspect that in many cases what
they find would be quite embarrassing to the ops if that information was
released.
The public is not involved in this decision. You decided to publicly
air your grievance when your appeal should have been communicating
privately with the committee.
The manipulation of logs is pretty serious in my book. From your email
it sounds like you made extensive changes and you also admitted that
your lock outs were not working. If you broke the rules for MS by
hardware failure you cannot go into the logs and "fix" things. You and
your friends were no longer in the MS class and you should have simply
classified the log properly. In my book, and I think most would agree
that log manipulation if a flagrant foul and a red card is warranted.
The only reason your logs were not uploaded immediately after the
contest is that you knew there were problems and you knew you had to fix
things to attempt to make the logs fit into the MS class. This is just
wrong my friend.
CQ did not cause this issue. You did with log manipulation and the ops
did with malfunctioning hardware lockouts as you claim.
Mike W0MU
On 4/10/2013 3:13 AM, fabio.grisafi@libero.it wrote:
Hi Guys!
I was not asking to be not punished with a penalty or disqualification.
I asked why there were different conditions for different cases and, if there
is an analogy
with soccer/football - as they sayd there is - I asked to reduce the penalty
to a Yellow Card
because the faul was not made in the penalty area or it was not so seriuos.
Also, I have asked the CQWW CC to vote again, so obtaining an objective
result.
Also, knowing that there were many cases the decidion (red card) was removed -
well
after the "final decision of the CC",I asked if it wasn't right to ask for a
new decision taken
with all the informations that before they hadn't.
I would accept this decision and the informations given to all amateurs, here
in CQ-Contest,
about the difference between RED and YELLOW Card.
Also, I asked if the CQWW CC and WRTC Directors knew about bad policy made
here in EU
by some of the components of the CC.
So, I ASKED. I didn't say I am right!
Now, I have received these very nice messages only. It is nice to see that
there is an easy way
to archive a debate. You can always say that the questioner is crazy.
It was done in tribunals, you think it is not possible here in the ham radio
community?
The first man that declared the existence of mafia in Sicily was sent to the
psichiatric jail
(not the psichiatric hospital, but the psichiatric JAIL!)... I don't want to
go there!
His name was Leonardo Vitale and you can find his story in the internet....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_Vitale
So, thank you very much for the verdict, dear Dave, I will come to Arizona to
meet you and all
the "outlaw" friends. You will pay a dinner for me ... or call the sheriff and
say there is a crazy boy
out of your door!
73 de Fabio, IT9GSF.
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Data: 10/04/2013 3.23
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Ogg: Re: [CQ-Contest] R: RE: My RED CARD - IT9GSF
This same thing happens in online gaming. Cheaters are found and banned
and then post to forums trying to get sympathy for the cause and like
what we saw here nearly everyone sides against the banned player.
Is it the people or they way we teach and what we are told over and over
that there is always someone else or something else to blame.
Most people would easily be forgiven or given a second chance , if they
just took the high road and said yep I blew it, what I did was wrong and
I hope that I have learned my lesson and will strive to follow the rules
in the future. Instead we get laundry lists of EXCUSES why rules had to
be broken.
It is a sad commentary on society.
Mike W0MU
On 4/9/2013 1:28 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
I've sometimes posted here before on the topic of cheating and the
various reasons/mentalities behind it. There are several of them and
most have different roots, but one thing that is common to all of them
is the amazing ability of humans to rationalize bad behavior. It's
almost like people lose objectivity once they've decided to break a
rule. I've even read things that suggest it's a natural human defense
mechanism for coping with the ambiguous situations we regularly find
ourselves in. I suspect that those who don't have some capability to
rationalize eventually go mad ... or at least get diagnosed as being
obsessive-compulsive.
Fabio's post is a pretty good case in point (in fact, his
rationalizations bother me greatly) but it most certainly is not a
unique example. Anyone who thinks they are immune to this in their
life is kidding themselves ... it's all just a matter of place and
degree.
73,
Dave AB7E
On 4/9/2013 12:11 AM, Braco OE1EMS wrote:
Fabio,
there is no reason to be angry and Brian have 100% right
If you violated rules by mistake even deliberately you had choice to
avoid
problems you get into
sending your log into other category, sending your log as check log
or ask
contest organizer what to do?
But what did you do? You change your log to fit into MS even you know
this
is wrong!
Now after log checker discovered rule violation you talking about
wrong log
file :)
Hard to believe.....
I am pretty sure if no one look at your log and you were in results,
you were not complaining about it, even you know it was wrong!
So far I can see you just wanted to avoid RED CARD because of WRTC
participation and after no success
with contest organizer now you are bothering WRTC director with it!
It was your decision and you could act different, now be man took the
consequences !!
73s
Braco
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Ogg: Re: [CQ-Contest] R: RE: My RED CARD - IT9GSF
I've sometimes posted here before on the topic of cheating and the
various reasons/mentalities behind it. There are several of them and
most have different roots, but one thing that is common to all of them
is the amazing ability of humans to rationalize bad behavior. It's
almost like people lose objectivity once they've decided to break a
rule. I've even read things that suggest it's a natural human defense
mechanism for coping with the ambiguous situations we regularly find
ourselves in. I suspect that those who don't have some capability to
rationalize eventually go mad ... or at least get diagnosed as being
obsessive-compulsive.
Fabio's post is a pretty good case in point (in fact, his
rationalizations bother me greatly) but it most certainly is not a
unique example. Anyone who thinks they are immune to this in their life
is kidding themselves ... it's all just a matter of place and degree.
73,
Dave AB7E
On 4/9/2013 12:11 AM, Braco OE1EMS wrote:
Fabio,
there is no reason to be angry and Brian have 100% right
If you violated rules by mistake even deliberately you had choice to avoid
problems you get into
sending your log into other category, sending your log as check log or ask
contest organizer what to do?
But what did you do? You change your log to fit into MS even you know this
is wrong!
Now after log checker discovered rule violation you talking about wrong log
file :)
Hard to believe.....
I am pretty sure if no one look at your log and you were in results,
you were not complaining about it, even you know it was wrong!
So far I can see you just wanted to avoid RED CARD because of WRTC
participation and after no success
with contest organizer now you are bothering WRTC director with it!
It was your decision and you could act different, now be man took the
consequences !!
73s
Braco
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