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To: <kr2q@optimum.net>, <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] What is the contest community willing to accept from"cheaters" and contest sponsors?
From: "Milt -- N5IA" <n5ia@zia-connection.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 11:09:24 -0700
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Dear Devil's Advocate,

Please have your Quorum make public an official survey with questions and possible answers along the lines that your have put forth in your very interesting and well written/expressed 'Letter to the Editor' below.

Please announce and distribute the survey via ALL common, readily available forums world wide and allow a minimum of 90 days for responses from the Amateur Contesting Community (ACC).

Please have your Quorum use good common sense AND the documented will of the ACC to make any possible changes (additions, deletions, upgrades, changes, explanations) etc., that will be for the benefit of the ACC at large.

Thanks in advance for your consideration in this very important matter.

Mis dos centavos.

de Milt, N5IA


-----Original Message----- From: kr2q@optimum.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:35 AM
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: [CQ-Contest] What is the contest community willing to accept from"cheaters" and contest sponsors?

The assisted/unassisted thread has taken an interesting twist.

The following is purely DEVIL'S ADVOCATE on my part. Yeah, I'm on the contest committee for CQWW, but please ignore that (if you can). For me, the following are LOGICAL questions which stem from the discussion on CQ-Contest. These should not be construed as
"constructing a highway" to eliminating separate categories.

In CQWW, there are 3 power categories: QRP, LP, and HP. Verifying power is very difficult.

Does the contest community accept that some QRP guys run LP or HP and are you OK with that? Does the contest community accept that some LP guys run HP are you OK with that? Does the contest community accept that some HP guys run SHP in excess of 10KW and are you
OK with that?

When I ask, "Are you OK with that?" what I am asking is not that they "cheat," but that they end up in the results in the category they declared (for the most part)? Do you accept that some scores are listed in the "wrong" power category because the committee can't do much about it?
How does this effect your view of the published scores?  Do you care?

I ask the same for single/multi-op.
Does the contest community accept that some single-op entries (even "top of the box") are actually multi-op entries? How does this impact your view of the published scores? Do you "not care," or do you say, " Oh, I know that wasn't really a single op, so I'll start looking at
the results with the 2nd place score."  Etc.

And again, what about for "Assisted" - does the community accept that there are likely entrants in the unassisted categories that are actually using some form of assistance at least some of the
time?  How does that impact your view of the published scores?

How does any of this impact your view of contesting?

With respect to Assisted, how important is it to you that the various contest committees are able to (or not able to) weed out those who claim to be unassisted but actually are
assisted?

Do you feel that there is an implied expectation that all entries which are published in the
unassisted categories are indeed unassisted?

What are the ethical obligations of the contest committee to their entrants in terms of assuring "clean" categories? 100.00% clean? 75% clean? 50% clean? or "Who cares,
it's only a hobby?"

If you were told that "Only 50% of those using assistance are found by the contest committee," would that change your opinion of having separate assisted/unassisted categories?

What if you were told that "0% (yes, zero) of those in the top ten SOABHP can be guaranteed as NOT using any assistance, ever?" Would you still want assisted and unassisted to be listed
as separate categories?

End of devil's advocate.

I would LOVE to see actual answers to the above questions, especially:
If you were told that "Only 50% of those using assistance are found by the contest committee," would that change your opinion of having separate assisted/unassisted categories? I say, "especially," because that is the current topic of discussion on CQ-Contest.

de Doug KR2Q
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