Jeff,
I am sure a lot of subscribers of this reflector would support my request.
May we ask you to make a good quality (preferably stereo) recording of your
operation (both CW and SSB) next time you operate in a big contest. For many
of us this would be very educational and interesting. I am convinced that
we will easily find space on numerous web sites for this material.
73, Igor UA9CDC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Steinman" <n5tj@hotmail.com>
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:49 AM
Subject: [CQ-Contest] High SSB QSO Rates
>
> Good questions Bob. And agree with K5TR comments. People need to know how
> to run/adapt to their situation. Being able to run well/effectively at
> what would be described as more typical QSO rates is important. We're
> spending a lot of time discussing very high rates which are not the norm.
> Those 400+ hours? I count three in my lifetime. And all from the DX side.
>
> In fact I would say that, depending on your category, these very high
> rates might be counterproductive to your final score. How's that?
>
> CQWW SSB as a SOAB is a Marathon. You need to stay in the chair and be as
> fresh as possible. Rate is fun and it helps your score, sure... but it's
> total score that matters. Those 400+ hours are exhausting. As a SOAB my
> best hour might be around 350, more in the 325 and lower range. The 400
> hours came during multi-op entries where I could take a break.
>
> I found a few short audio clips that George/K5TR was kind enough to host
> on his web page: http://www.k5tr.net/audio/n5tj/
> EA8BH SOAB 1999, 20M in the second hour, rate ~ 300
> 2004 VP2E M2 10M running EU on Sunday. Probably mid 200 rate.
> 2004 VP2E M2 10M running USA for the first time on Saturday afternoon.
> Part of a 480 hour.
>
> You should be able to hear the difference in speed/cadence/frequency of
> signing call between these different situations. Regardless I try to be
> efficient and "easy" to work.
> 73
> Jeff N5TJ
>
>> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 07:26:36 -0800
>> From: geoiii@kkn.net
>> To: W5OV@W5OV.COM
>> CC: n5tj@hotmail.com; cq-contest@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] BOGUS QSO RATES!
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 06:35:03AM -0600, Bob Naumann wrote:
>> >
>> > As the method you apply here is one based on your greater than average
>> > skill
>> > set and experience, what would you recommend for someone who is not
>> > blessed
>> > with the same or just starting out?
>>
>> I am not Jeff - but I will give some thoughts on this topic.
>>
>> First I will say that much of what we have been talking about is not
>> something that most folks "just starting out" would have to worry about
>> since they will likely not be running in very high rate situations.
>>
>> This topic was started by AH8DX complaining about a list of hourly
>> QSO rates that are above 300 contacts an hour.
>>
>> Most of these techniques are not much of an advantage at slower rates.
>>
>> > One of the advanced techniques that K5TR mentioned is the copying of
>> > several
>> > callsigns (or partial calls) at one time from a pileup and working each
>> > of
>> > them without signing or saying TU or QRZ.
>>
>> That was not what I was talking about - but that does also happen -
>> although
>> usually not more than a callsign or two - I was talking about not saying
>> my callsign and just saying 'Thanks' as a way of saying I am ready for
>> the next caller. One reason to do this - is some people will not call
>> me if I just say a quick 'thanks' and this will have the effect of
>> thinning
>> the pileup a bit and allow me to up the rate a bit - having too many
>> people calling at once slows things down.
>>
>> There are many many little things that you can do to up the rate a bit
>> here and there - going really fast can be hard and there are a lot of
>> little
>> things that in total can change your 300 hour rate into a 360 hour rate
>> or change your 300 hour into a 240 hour. It is one of the things I
>> find fascinating.
>>
>> >
>> > For those looking for ways to improve, would you recommend that they
>> > call
>> > one CQ, get a pileup going and just say "Cue Are Zed" at the end of
>> > every
>> > QSO, or would it be better for them (until they develop better skills)
>> > to
>> > just say their callsign at the end of each QSO?
>>
>> Yes, I would agree with that in general - but if they do want to get
>> better - then I see no harm in talking about how you produce high
>> rate. And we are not talking about calling one CQ here and then running
>> for minutes or hours on end without signing your callsign.
>>
>> > Better efficiency does not result merely from omitting your callsign.
>>
>> Very true.
>>
>> And as stated above - for me at least - one of the reasons for not
>> signing my call every time has nothing to do with saving my time
>> of saying 'thanks' vs 'k5tr' or 'hc8n' or whatever - I do it for
>> other reasons.
>>
>> One suggestion I have for anyone wanting to look at this more is to
>> find recordings of high rate and listen to what the operator is
>> doing and not doing and see if you can figure out why he made the
>> choices he has made.
>>
>> How often is he signing his callsign?
>>
>> What causes him to not sign it?
>>
>> Does he always use phonetics?
>>
>> Does he sometimes listen longer than other times
>> to the pileup calling? Why?
>>
>> There are many many choices that I make during a run in
>> an effort to put more contacts in the log.
>>
>>
>> --
>> George Fremin III - K5TR
>> geoiii@kkn.net
>> http://www.kkn.net/~k5tr
>>
>>
>
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