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Re: [CQ-Contest] Ban all contest spotting?

To: k1ep.list@gmail.com, 'Glenn Wyant' <va3dx@sympatico.ca>, CQ-Contest@contesting.com, Dennis McAlpine <dbmcalpine@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Ban all contest spotting?
From: <w1md@cfl.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:14:30 +0000
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Hi Dennis...you better 'find' me this weekend...!!! :)

BUT...if you are S&P'ing then you wouldn't get 'spotted' anyway...

Of course there is more to flesh out before SELF SPOTTING becomes 
incorporated...but I think we're (thanks to Tree) onto something here... :)

MD

---- Dennis McAlpine <dbmcalpine@earthlink.net> wrote: 
> But, what if one is an S&Per and changes frequency a lot?  Then an update
> every 30 min is not enough.  If you are looking for that rare SC mult in SS
> and you see me spotted 28 minutes ago, the chances are good that I am no
> longer on that frequency.  This means that rare SC mult may continue to
> elude you.
> 
> I make it a practice that if I come across a station calling CQ and it is
> not on my band map, I spot him so that everyone will know where that station
> is.  That is a simple Alt-P on n1mm.
> 
> The other option is to incorporate a built is skimmer into every radio and
> then you don't need to worry about spots that you can't hear.  Three cheers
> for skimmer!!!
> 
> 73,
> Dennis, K2SX
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: w1md@cfl.rr.com [mailto:w1md@cfl.rr.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:53 AM
> To: k1ep.list@gmail.com; Glenn Wyant; CQ-Contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Ban all contest spotting?
> 
> So...maybe this is a "good" argument for allowing self-spotting. Say, allow
> each contestant in the contest the option to post their call/freq. every
> 30min's . (no more reports of the 'most spotted calls'...since everyone who
> is ON the network should have roughly the same number of spots over the
> weekend...96...no more cheerleaders or self spotters...WE'd ALL be self
> spotters)
> 
> The good:
> 
> 1.  Ensures that the packet spot is correct...no busted calls
> 2.  GREATLY reduces network traffic (It amazes me sometimes to watch the raw
> data feeds and see the multiple simultaneous spots of a station that go
> through).
> 3.  Puts EVERYONE on the same playing field. 
> 4.  With periodic spots, the packet pileups would fade away.
> 5.  No more having to hit ALT-F3 or whatever your logging program requires.
> 6.  Have the logging software implement the periodic updates automatically
> and NOT allow any manual spots.
> 
> 
> Seems like a 'win win'. :)
> 
> Marty
> W1MD
> ---- Ed K1EP <k1ep.list@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > At 11/2/2009 02:11 PM, Glenn Wyant wrote:
> > 
> > >Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Ban all contest spotting?
> > >
> > > >I propose that those who dont want clusters; that they dont use them.
> > > >
> > > > I propose that those who like using clusters ; use them.
> > > >
> > > > Assuming they claim the proper category , IF they submit a contest
> entry.
> > > >
> > > > I am one of those low-life ,  cripples that uses the cluster (
> assisted )
> > > > now and then , sorry to those who wish control my operating
> preferences.
> > > >
> > > > Glenn VA3DX
> > 
> > For me, as a low power non-assisted contester, the use of packet in a 
> > contest is not merely an argument of whether it is a crutch or not, 
> > it affects the way I contest, even though I do not use it.  Packet in 
> > a contest creates "packet pileups".  Once a sought after station is 
> > spotted, a tremendous, sometimes unruly, pileup ensues.  As an 
> > unassisted low power contester, I seek out the DX by tuning.  When I 
> > find one, I would like the opportunity to work him without hundreds 
> > of packet people descending upon him.  If, on the other hand, I am 
> > running and spotted incorrectly, I will all of a sudden have a flood 
> > of eager contesters calling me.  Many will have already worked me and 
> > be dupes.  This causes me to either QSY or work many dupes and reduce 
> > my effective rate.  So, the use of packet it not an isolated event, 
> > it just doesn't help or assist the operator using it, it affects all 
> > the other contesters.  Whether these effects are beneficial or not 
> > should be the discussion.  If packet could be used by an assisted 
> > operator without affecting others, then I am all for it.  In reality, 
> > that isn't the case.
> > 
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