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Re: [CQ-Contest] Categories, Participation and Competition

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Categories, Participation and Competition
From: "Vitor, PY2NY" <py2ny.vitor@gmail.com>
Reply-to: "Vitor, PY2NY" <py2ny@arrl.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:12:23 -0300
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Wow!! I liked the last paragraphes... I would like
to have Single Op All Bands Low Power "Any"
12 hours class...
Maybe another one: Single Op All Bands Low Power "Any"
12 hours class...
But we need just one another class. If you have a lot,
maybe will be a few participants on each one hi hi hi...
Well, WPX is a 36 hours contest for Single OP...
If you are talking only about WPX, let s try 12
hours Single Op. !!!

All the best from here

Vitor PY2NY - just arriving from 65 Years of
D-Day in Normandy - Best regards to WW II
Veterans around !! Normandy was amazing at
this time - nice time with W, F, G, VE old time
soldiers...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randy Thompson K5ZD" <k5zd@charter.net>
To: "'Stan Stockton'" <k5go@cox.net>; <CQ-Contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Categories, Participation and Competition


> Operating time is definitely a factor in achieving a score!
>
> For the WPX Contest, the online results list the hours of operation for
> every entrant as well as their band breakdowns.  This provides a way for
> people to compare their efforts with others.
>
> There are other properties that may be interesting for comparing scores.
> All we need is more meta data provided with the logs and we can include 
> that
> in the online score database.  Then participants could run queries to
> compare their score against various properties.  The technology to do this
> is easy.  The hard part is getting agreement on the property names and
> definitions!
>
> Creating new (overlay) categories based on operating time is an 
> interesting
> concept.  My concern is that it may actually motivate people to be less
> active.  For example, I have about 15 hours to operate during a weekend. 
> Do
> I spend my time to maximize a score for the 12 hour category, or just play
> around and work my 15 hours available?  The contest sponsors want to
> motivate people to get on as much as they can.  I think that is one reason
> contesting has always been kind of open ended when it comes to operating
> time.  You want a bigger score -- you spend more time in the chair.
>
> Perhaps a limited time category would end up with a net gain by converting
> ops who normally do 4-6 hour efforts into 12 hours.  That is the great
> unknown.
>
> Once you start making limited time categories, you also have to define 
> them.
> Is it 12 hours consecutive?  Any 12 hours?  If so, then what is an off 
> time?
> It is not as simple as it may first seem.
>
> But, time-based catergories are an idea worthy or more discussion.
>
> Randy, K5ZD
>
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: Stan Stockton [mailto:k5go@cox.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:17 PM
> To: CQ-Contest@contesting.com
> Cc: Randy Thompson
> Subject: Categories, Participation and Competition
>
>
> Attempts have been made in some contests to create new categories where 
> ones
> with wires or tribanders can compete on a more level basis.  Most contests
> have categories for different power levels.
>
> The one item that I think is most important and currently ignored is the
> time of operation.  In a world of children, grandchildren, other family
> obligations, honey do's to keep the YF happy, and an aging group of
> contesters, many cannot compete because they cannot work the contest the
> entire period, which in many cases is 48 hours.
>
> I would only have categories that encourage enhancement of station
> performance and instead include categories in a 48 hour contest for 
> perhaps
> 12 hour, 24 hour and 48 hour operating time - 24 and 48 hour for sure.
> There are a lot of people out there who would do really well if they could
> stay up for 48 hours but cannot ever win anything with a 24 hour effort.
> Off times should be longer than what most are used to having in 
> Sweepstakes
> and other contests with time limits   Perhaps a maximum of four off-times
> with a minimum of 6 hours for each would be appropriate for a 24 hour 
> entry.
>
> I can see a lot of people getting excited about competing in a contest if
> they had a way of doing it without having to commit to the entire 48 hour
> period.
>
> Stan, K5GO
>
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