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Re: [CQ-Contest] real time scoreboards

To: "N7MAL" <N7MAL@CITLINK.NET>, <eric@k3na.org>, <live@cqww.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] real time scoreboards
From: "Kelly Taylor" <ve4xt@mts.net>
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 07:47:42 -0500
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As much as I am ambivalent on the issue of real-time scoreboards, perhaps
someone could enlighten me:

How does a real-time scoreboard provide an unfair advantage?

Or, how does it provide any more of an unfair advantage than when a hockey
team can look at the scoreboard and see they're losing?

Does a scoreboard offer anything more than running scores? I can see if
there was enough info there to make it a back door to spotting assistance,
or to assistance in band choice, but I can't see how seeing that another
station is winning or losing is anything more than the hockey example above.

That said, I don't think I agree with the sentiment towards making
contesting more like a video game. Once you make that leap, it's not far
from being able to get rid of the radio.

73, kelly
ve4xt


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "N7MAL" <N7MAL@CITLINK.NET>
To: <eric@k3na.org>; <live@cqww.com>
Cc: "Cq-Contest" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] real time scoreboards


> Eric you said: ""Allowing single operator stations to have more fun in
> contests seems
> beneficial to our beloved sport.  And encouraging part-time participants
> to operate more of the contest also seems beneficial.""
> Those were the same kind of excuses that were used in the early days of
the
> DX Packet Cluster and look at that hornets nest now. Any outside system
> being utilized whether it be clusters or scoreboards or whatever will
always
> provide an unfair advantage. Like the Cluster I can assure you it will not
> be policed and some stations utilizing it to their advantage will not
report
> its use.
> Now before I get beat up to badly I realize the overwhelming majority of
> contesters are upstanding and play by the rules. It's always that bad
apples
> that spoil it.  Eventually like the Clusters the good guys will tired of
no
> action against the bad guys and then just like the clusters even the most
> honest upstanding guys will begin to sneak a peek once in awhile. I'm all
> for modern technology but if it's not going to be policed and controlled
> then it will also be another Cluster.
> 73
>
> MAL
> N7MAL
> BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
> http://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htm
>
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Eric Scace K3NA
>   To: live@cqww.com
>   Cc: Cq-Contest
>   Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 16:30
>   Subject: [CQ-Contest] real time scoreboards
>
>
>      Thanks for polling the contesting community before taking a decision
>   on whether to classify the use of real-time scoreboards as "outside
>   assistance" for single ops.
>
>      Having used the real time scoreboard in some contests this year, I
>   can report that:
>      1. It was fun!  I enjoyed the heightened sense of competition, trying
>   to catch up to the station just ahead of me in the standings and to stay
>   ahead of the person just behind me.
>      2. In a contest where I was making a part-time effort, the real time
>   scoreboard encouraged me to participate longer in the contest.
>      3. As an experienced contester, the availability of band-by-band
>   snapshots had no material impact on my score or strategy.
>
>      Allowing single operator stations to have more fun in contests seems
>   beneficial to our beloved sport.  And encouraging part-time participants
>   to operate more of the contest also seems beneficial.
>
>      An experienced, top-tier SOAB contester will already know on which
>   bands she should be operating to maximize his score.  The real-time
>   scoreboard will not give her significant new data that she would not be
>   able to determine (more efficiently) on her own.
>
>      For an operator new to the sport, real time scoreboards seem to offer
>   more encouragement, minute-by-minute, to continue competing against
>   other operators at about his skill level.
>
>      Overall it seems to me the benefits of a laissez-faire policy seem to
>   outweigh any disadvantages for the SO-unassisted category.
>
>      Furthermore, why rush to kill or reclassify a new-born idea at this
>   early stage, when little actual experience has been gained?  As
>   real-time scoreboards develop over the next few years, the Committee can
>   re-evaluate their impact (if any) on the SO-unassisted category.
>
>
>   73,
>      -- Eric K3NA
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