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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Stimulating Participation (Russell Hill)
2. Re: scores - final thought (Tom Osborne)
3. RE: Stimulating Participation (K0HB )
4. Re: Chiming in -- SO2R (Bill Turner)
5. Re: scores - final thought (K0HB )
6. Re: QST...A radical thought? (Ward Silver)
7. RE: QST...A radical thought? (Eric Hilding)
8. Re: QST...A radical thought? (Ward Silver)
9. Like to ID a TS-950 Which model do I have?? (K7VS Van)
10. Follow-up Line Scores (N7MAL)
11. Re: scores - final thought (John Geiger)
12. RE: Follow-up Line Scores (K0HB )
13. Re: Follow-up Line Scores (John Geiger)
14. Re: Follow-up Line Scores (Russell Hill)
15. THANKS FOR THE TS-950 INFO TO ALL! (K7VS Van)
16. Re: scores - final thought (Russell Hill)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:05:39 -0600
From: "Russell Hill" <rustyhill@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Stimulating Participation
To: "dt" <pattaya@direcpc.com>, <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <015d01c4d95a$50f5b320$28d0f218@RCHill>
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The parade has the different circumstance of having city policemen keeping
folks out of the parade route, with the aid of barricades.
----- Original Message -----
From: "dt" <pattaya@direcpc.com>
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:25 AM
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Stimulating Participation
Bob, k8kwt
Marlene and I are in that group calling cq from WD5R.
Just want you to know, we understand the problem.
Even with a fair station set up here, we hesitate to put ourselves in a
position of
having to 'relocate' during the contest.
We try to establish a calling frequency before the contest starts and we
are just plain hard headed about hanging on to it.
Primarily because we do not enjoy looking for some spot that appears
susceptible to bulling tactics.
We'd like to see the 'band plan' handled like 'main street' is handled on
special occasions.
Close down all the businesses not required for the special occasion, and
anyone that is not in the parade, is simply a spectator.
Make 160 a cw band for cw contests, make 160 a ssb band for ssb contests,
and put everything back to normal after the contest.
This works for parades in the big cities, no reason it couldn't work for
contesting.
Come to think of it, guess it wouldn't work because it would eliminate
too
many subjects for debate.
The Big stations make the 'boom, boom, boom,
The weak signals in the noise makes the music,
Doug, n5ect
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:20:15 -0800
From: "Tom Osborne" <w7why@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] scores - final thought
To: "CQ Contest" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <003101c4d95c$5ca74060$a83f7644@TomOsborne>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
I guess that means I will have to put a computer in the "throne room"
for my activities in there. 73
Tom W7WHY
_________________________________________________
at what point will QST no longer be sent thru the mail and only be
available on-line? then they can "publish" a 400 page "magazine" each
and every month and i can print out any article i wish. won't that be
great? no more stacks of magazines in the corner, just a folder on a
CD i burned in a stack of other digital books.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:23:47 -00
From: "K0HB " <k-zero-hb@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Stimulating Participation
To: "dt" <pattaya@direcpc.com>, cq-contest@contesting.com
Message-ID: <410-220041253172347796@earthlink.net>
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[Original Message]
From: dt <pattaya@direcpc.com>
Close down all the businesses not required for the special occasion,
and anyone that is not in the parade, is simply a spectator.
Doug,
You're joking, right? Seriously proposing this idea would gain us more
enemies than if the Baptists closed all the beer joints in Wisconsin!
73, de Hans, K0HB
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:23:54 -0800
From: Bill Turner <dezrat1242@ispwest.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Chiming in -- SO2R
To: k-zero-hb@earthlink.net
Cc: dennis o'connor <k8do@mailblocks.com>, cq-contest@contesting.com
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:22:56 -00, K0HB wrote:
That's UNFAIR!!!!!!! We need a SEPARATE CATEGORY for guys like him.
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There already is. It's called FIRST PLACE, just as it should be.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:25:40 -00
From: "K0HB " <k-zero-hb@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] scores - final thought
To: "Tom Osborne" <w7why@charter.net>, "CQ Contest"
<cq-contest@contesting.com>
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I guess that means I will have to put a computer in the "throne room"
for my activities in there. 73
Tom W7WHY
Or move the throne into the ham-shack?
73, de Hans, K0HB
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:31:02 -0800
From: "Ward Silver" <hwardsil@centurytel.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] QST...A radical thought?
To: "CQ-Contest Reflector" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <008901c4d95d$df4f5240$7ca9fea9@WardsNotebook>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Perhaps the answer to this line score thing is to offer a QST
subscription
in two forms. One would be the traditional hard copy in its present
form.
The other would be an on-line version with expanded line scores as well
as
traffic reports and all the stuff the ARRL says can't be put in QST
because of
page limitations.
Prices would either be the same or would be cheaper for the on line
version.
To limit access of the on-line version, I'm sure the computer geeks
among
us have excellent ways to limit access to only subscribers.
And this differs from the current situation how? As I see it, you
currently
get BOTH of these options from your current membership: QST in traditional
form and access by members to the full and complete Web-based information.
This includes the traditional format of writeup+line scores as a
downloadable PDF document. Members get access to complete information
while
non-members get summarized information.
How this would affect advertising? That's a good question, best
addressed
by N0AX.
Actually, I have little administrative input or knowledge of this sort of
detail - I just write 'em and red-pencil 'em.
Everybody would be happy, the traffic guys, the little pistols, the big
pistols and maybe even the staff at headquarters.
I am going to the Tampa hamfest tomorrow and mention this to the guys
from
ARRL who will be there and see what their thoughts are.
Bill K4XS
Here's an idea I have proposed that has not been turned down outright, but
may require some software development (read, expenditure of tight $$).
For every submitter of a log, give them the opportunity to receive an
email
with a link to the downloadable PDF document with the complete results
when
they become available. Click it and get it. Additionally, put a check
box
on their membership account page that would enable them to receive the
same
email whenever any results become available. (This wouldn't just be
contest
results, but writeups on special events, emergency tests, traffic handling
summaries, and so on.) There are a number of ways to get the information
in
front of the ARRL member. It just occurred to me that this sort of link
could also go into the ARRL Letter. Put people one click away from the
results and they will get read.
It could be extended to the idea of sending an email to every ARRL member
whose validated call appears in the final data base. It's a "Simple
Matter
of Programming" - the four most dangerous (and expensive) words in the
English language. Imagine - "Dear WX1XXX - thank you for participating in
the ARRL's ABCD contest. Please click [link] to receive a copy of the
complete contest results. We hope to see you in the next one! For more
information about contesting and contest organizations in your area,
please
click [link]." I ask you if that wouldn't be powerful to a 20-, 30-,
40-something ham that represents the next generation of contesting?
Ooh - another good idea. (How much coffee *did* I put in the machine this
morning?) Include a link to the log search engine so that the reader could
go immediately to a sorted list that finds their call and shows the
results
sorted by region, category, and score. I.e. - Sort of a Super Check Line
Score - "Click [link] to see your score."
Bear in mind that the ARRL is (rightly) concerned about sending unwanted
emails to members so would have to be handled correctly and with full
member
approval of any automatic mailings. Furthermore, none of this can
increase
magazine costs - the money just isn't there. However, a well-defined
package of software tasks based on existing functions has a chance of
getting done.
Nevertheless, the mechanics of information distribution is sufficient that
it would be easy to put electronic line scores in front of readers. If
you
absolutely have to have the printed page, so be it.
73, Ward N0AX
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 10:05:34 -0800
From: Eric Hilding <dx35@hilding.com>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] RE: QST...A radical thought?
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Cc: hwardsil@centurytel.net
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20041203100105.00a8e550@mail.garlic.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
Ward, N0AX brilliantly suggested:
> Here's an idea I have proposed that has not been turned down outright,
> but
> may require some software development (read, expenditure of tight $$).
>
> For every submitter of a log, give them the opportunity to receive an
> email
> with a link to the downloadable PDF document with the complete results
> when
> they become available. Click it and get it. Additionally, put a check
> box
> on their membership account page that would enable them to receive the
> same
> email whenever any results become available.
Another brilliant idea, Ward, and it is *not* a "Programming Nightmare".
I like your "radical" thinking, OM! The only option I would add is one to
insure that a separate email address (from a membership email address)
could be used for whatever auto/filter/filing/sorting desires one might
have.
73...
Rick, K6VVA
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:09:57 -0800
From: "Ward Silver" <hwardsil@centurytel.net>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Re: QST...A radical thought?
To: "CQ-Contest Reflector" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <012a01c4d963$4f090f40$7ca9fea9@WardsNotebook>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
It may be that a "send emails here" window would be required. All this
stuff exists in one form or another on the Web site, which lowers
development costs dramatically, as well as the cost of verification.
Sorry,
lapsing into engineering-speak...I have avoided using the words
"requirements" and "validation", but I
don't...think...I...can...hold...out...much...longerrrrrrr...
73, Ward N0AX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Hilding" <dx35@hilding.com>
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Cc: <hwardsil@centurytel.net>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:05 AM
Subject: RE: QST...A radical thought?
Ward, N0AX brilliantly suggested:
> Here's an idea I have proposed that has not been turned down outright,
but
> may require some software development (read, expenditure of tight $$).
>
> For every submitter of a log, give them the opportunity to receive an
email
> with a link to the downloadable PDF document with the complete results
when
> they become available. Click it and get it. Additionally, put a
check
box
> on their membership account page that would enable them to receive the
same
> email whenever any results become available.
Another brilliant idea, Ward, and it is *not* a "Programming Nightmare".
I like your "radical" thinking, OM! The only option I would add is one
to
insure that a separate email address (from a membership email address)
could be used for whatever auto/filter/filing/sorting desires one might
have.
73...
Rick, K6VVA
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:14:45 -0800
From: "K7VS Van" <wa7fab@cdsnet.net>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Like to ID a TS-950 Which model do I have??
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c4d963$f803ba00$0a00a8c0@maincomputer>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Just acquired a TS-950 and not sure which model I have. Mine says TS-950S
Digital. I understand that Kenwood made more than one model of this
radio.
The one I have reads across the top of the cabinet TS-950S Digital. It
does
have some filters in it and the digital features. Is this what is
commonly
called the FT-950SDX radio or is it an earlier model? The manual seems to
be for two models. One called FT-950S and the other described as the
FT-950S Digital. Did they evenually made three models of this radio?
Thanks for any help. Van, K7VS
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 18:23:31 -0000
From: "N7MAL" <N7MAL@CITLINK.NET>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Follow-up Line Scores
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <001301c4d965$3312a240$6400a8c0@n7mal7>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I am now in receipt of several documents relating to publishing line
scores. I only gave them a cursory glance because like any good contester
I have antenna wok to do before the contest starts this afternoon.
My first impression, however, is to throw my QST in the fireplace.
Does anyone remember what year line scores were dropped from QST?
There is a very informative story in the June QST which says almost 1/3 of
the ARRL membership doesn't want contesting 'stuff' in the magazine while
only 7% want it.
What would be the ramification if overnight 7% of the QST circulation
vanished?
Why am I a member of the ARRL when almost 1/3 of the membership doesn't
want me and my kind(contesters) around?
MAL N7MAL
BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
http://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htm
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:40:21 -0800 (PST)
From: John Geiger <johngeig@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] scores - final thought
To: k-zero-hb@earthlink.net, Tom Osborne <w7why@charter.net>, CQ
Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <20041203184021.8906.qmail@web54701.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Yeah, but then doesn't that put you in a new contest
category because you can operate when others can't?
Like single op-really assisted.
John NE0P
--- K0HB <k-zero-hb@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> I guess that means I will have to put a computer
in the "throne room"
> for my activities in there. 73
> Tom W7WHY
>
Or move the throne into the ham-shack?
73, de Hans, K0HB
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 18:44:02 -00
From: "K0HB " <k-zero-hb@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Follow-up Line Scores
To: "N7MAL" <N7MAL@CITLINK.NET>, cq-contest@contesting.com
Message-ID: <410-22004125318442906@earthlink.net>
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[Original Message]
From: N7MAL <N7MAL@CITLINK.NET>
Why am I a member of the ARRL when almost 1/3 of
the membership doesn't want me and my kind(contesters)
around?
If the only reason you're an ARRL member is because you want to see your
call letters printed in QST, then perhaps there is no justification for
your membership. Join some other national amateur organization instead.
(Good luck on this one, now!)
While I'd love to see the return of line scores and section news to QST
(and can be very pesky to my Director about that topic), it is only one
minor (VERY minor) negative alongside all the good reasons for my support
of ARRL.
73, de Hans, K0HB
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:45:27 -0800 (PST)
From: John Geiger <johngeig@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Follow-up Line Scores
To: N7MAL <N7MAL@CITLINK.NET>, cq-contest@contesting.com
Message-ID: <20041203184527.12115.qmail@web54701.mail.yahoo.com>
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I think it would be interesting to find out how many
of that 1/3 have actually been on the air in the past
year, or been on something other than 2 meter FM or
packet (which the ARRL plays to). They probably don't
know the first think about contesting or contesters
but think they aren't supposed to like them because of
an email they have seen, or a thread on eham.net that
says that contesters tie up an entire band that they
don't operate on anyway
73s John NE0P
--- N7MAL <N7MAL@CITLINK.NET> wrote:
I am now in receipt of several documents relating to
publishing line scores. I only gave them a cursory
glance because like any good contester I have
antenna wok to do before the contest starts this
afternoon.
My first impression, however, is to throw my QST in
the fireplace.
Does anyone remember what year line scores were
dropped from QST?
There is a very informative story in the June QST
which says almost 1/3 of the ARRL membership doesn't
want contesting 'stuff' in the magazine while only
7% want it.
What would be the ramification if overnight 7% of
the QST circulation vanished?
Why am I a member of the ARRL when almost 1/3 of the
membership doesn't want me and my kind(contesters)
around?
MAL N7MAL
BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
http://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htm
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:17:35 -0600
From: "Russell Hill" <rustyhill@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Follow-up Line Scores
To: "N7MAL" <N7MAL@CITLINK.NET>, <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <004701c4d96c$bece1a10$28d0f218@RCHill>
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reply-type=original
There may be a difference between "doesn't want" as in "doesn't care" on
the
one hand and "wishes for it not to be there" on the other.
----- Original Message -----
From: "N7MAL" <N7MAL@CITLINK.NET>
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 12:23 PM
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Follow-up Line Scores
I am now in receipt of several documents relating to publishing line
scores.
I only gave them a cursory glance because like any good contester I have
antenna wok to do before the contest starts this afternoon.
My first impression, however, is to throw my QST in the fireplace.
Does anyone remember what year line scores were dropped from QST?
There is a very informative story in the June QST which says almost 1/3 of
the ARRL membership doesn't want contesting 'stuff' in the magazine while
only 7% want it.
What would be the ramification if overnight 7% of the QST circulation
vanished?
Why am I a member of the ARRL when almost 1/3 of the membership doesn't
want
me and my kind(contesters) around?
MAL N7MAL
BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
http://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htm
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:20:38 -0800
From: "K7VS Van" <wa7fab@cdsnet.net>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] THANKS FOR THE TS-950 INFO TO ALL!
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c4d96d$2dd1bfc0$0a00a8c0@maincomputer>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
APPRECIATE THE RESPONSES. VAN, K7VS
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:33:54 -0600
From: "Russell Hill" <rustyhill@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] scores - final thought
To: "John Geiger" <johngeig@yahoo.com>, <k-zero-hb@earthlink.net>,
"Tom Osborne" <w7why@charter.net>, "CQ Contest"
<cq-contest@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <004d01c4d96f$0679f670$28d0f218@RCHill>
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reply-type=original
Naah-- that is a category almost all of us can enter-- regardless of deed
restrictions and covenants....
Admittedly some of us might claim certain disadvantages of one sort or
another....
Another illustration of the importance of diet, before and during....
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Geiger" <johngeig@yahoo.com>
To: <k-zero-hb@earthlink.net>; "Tom Osborne" <w7why@charter.net>; "CQ
Contest" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] scores - final thought
Yeah, but then doesn't that put you in a new contest
category because you can operate when others can't?
Like single op-really assisted.
John NE0P
--- K0HB <k-zero-hb@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> I guess that means I will have to put a computer
in the "throne room"
> for my activities in there. 73
> Tom W7WHY
>
Or move the throne into the ham-shack?
73, de Hans, K0HB
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