many thanks Fabio for the info
cu agn in the next contest
73's
de SP9P Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fabio I4UFH" <i4ufh@libero.it>
To: "SP9P" <sp9p@joker.com.pl>; "Kenneth E. Harker" <kharker@cs.utexas.edu>;
"SP5UAF" <tomek@sp5zcc.waw.pl>
Cc: <cq-contest@contesting.com>; "Henderson, Dan N1ND" <dhenderson@arrl.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:13 PM
Subject: IARU HQ stations - final results question Italian HQ Score
> Well Guys,
>
> We were so surprised as you to see in the published results the IUxHQ
score,
> we had
> sended a log with 13,300,189 pints as claimed in the 3830 reflector.
>
> Probable there were an error, we had notified it at Dan N1ND about that,
at
> these time
> whe didn't know our real results after checklog.
>
> We real knew to don't be in the real big battle, at this time HQ station
are
> spreadout
> over Italy all in zone ITU 28 and last year we were not linked , next year
> we will be
> better !!!!
>
> Our logs are avalaible if any want to look at them in deep, don't worry we
> real know that
> in these IARU Contest the HQ station need to work as much QSO as they can,
> but mult's
> number are always around the 10-15 % so the differents is made from QSO.
>
> Congrat's to DA0HQ, and another follow team ....
>
> I will be update the reflector is some news will be available..........
>
> Best Regards
>
> Fabio I4UFH
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "SP9P" <sp9p@joker.com.pl>
> To: "Kenneth E. Harker" <kharker@cs.utexas.edu>; "SP5UAF"
> <tomek@sp5zcc.waw.pl>
> Cc: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] IARU HQ stations - final results question
>
>
> > Important are qso's and multi's
> > the rest with zone's are big big mistake in the rules.
> > Just my opinion.
> > best regards & 73's
> > Joe SP9P
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kenneth E. Harker" <kharker@cs.utexas.edu>
> > To: "SP5UAF" <tomek@sp5zcc.waw.pl>
> > Cc: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] IARU HQ stations - final results question
> >
> >
> > > Along the same lines, the initial results for the 2002 IARU HF
> World
> > > Championship scored W1AW/5 wrong. The QSO points for W1AW/5 were
> computed
> > > as if the station were in ITU zone 8 (which is where W1AW actually is)
> but
> > > the W1AW/5 operation took place entirely in ITU zone 7 (central Texas,
> > > to be specific) which made a BIG difference in the final score, as
> W1AW/5
> > > worked a lot more zone 8 stations than it worked zone 7 stations.
> > >
> > > Now, if an HQ station happens to operate from multiple ITU zones
> > > or even continents (which has happened,) the score computation is even
> > > more complicated, and more likely to be erroneously reported -
> especially
> > > if the HQ station doesn't make a real effort to communicate the
unusual
> > > situation to the log checkers. Hopefully, in a few more years of
> computer
> > > log checking with this contest, most of these special cases with the
> > > HQ stations will have been accounted for in the process. Or, maybe we
> > > should just get rid of HQ stations and all the silliness therein, and
> > > make the contest results easier to generate :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 07:34:03PM +0100, SP5UAF wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to ARRL we already know the top scores of Single-Op and
> > > > Multi-Op stations as well as complete results of HQ stations in the
> > > > IARU HF 2003.
> > > > Well, we all know that usually final scores are reduced comparing to
> > > > claimed scores. No wonder, we all make mistakes receiving or typing
> > > > callsigns, serial numbers etc.
> > > >
> > > > But claimed and final scores can be surprising. Claimed scores were
as
> > > > follows for IARU HF 2003 (top ten):
> > > > Call QSOs Mult hr Score
> > > > CW SSB
> > > > R7HQ 16701 423 22,317,903
> > > > DA0HQ 19085 473 24 17,869,467
> > > > GB5HQ 6400 6487 448 24 17,074,624
> > > > TM0HQ 5873 6153 434 24 16,816,198
> > > > OL3HQ 5123 5677 428 24 15,807,324
> > > > SN0HQ 7809 7874 456 24 15,752,520
> > > > IU2HQ 5375 5633 443 24 13,300,189
> > > > YT0HQ 5648 5429 445 24 13,070,095
> > > > S50HQ 5054 4901 448 24 12,433,792
> > > > PA6HQ 4834 4540 406 24 11,646,110
> > > > SK9HQ 2234 1767 327 24 4,140,147
> > > >
> > > > And we have the following final scores (top 13) from the ARRL page
> > > > (http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/2003/IARU.pdf)
> > > > R7HQ 20,817,380
> > > > IUxHQ 17,824,836
> > > > DA0HQ 16,507,800
> > > > GB5HQ 15,705,914
> > > > TM0HQ 15,394,425
> > > > SN0HQ 14,483,480
> > > > EM5HQ 13,425,363
> > > > 9A0HQ 13,085,082
> > > > YT0HQ 11,662,121
> > > > S50HQ 11,311,048
> > > > OL3HQ 11,254,590
> > > > OH2HQ 10,880,332
> > > > PA6HQ 10,689,448
> > > >
> > > > It's a pity we do not know multiplier and points data details of the
> > > > final results. But we can see two big differences in claimed/final
> > > > scores.
> > > >
> > > > The first one is OL3HQ. Their claimed score was much bigger then the
> > > > final one. I think that they made a mistake in the claimed score.
> > > > Perhaps by mistake the "15" WAZ zone number was input in the log
> > > > instead of "28" (ITU zone). It could make such a difference in the
> > > > result.
> > > >
> > > > The second situation is with IUxHQ. Final score is about 4,5 milion
> > > > points better to claimed score. Perhaps Italian HQ operators lost
> > > > about 2.000 contacts in their claimed score. I think such a
difference
> > > > in the QSO number can produce about 4,5 mln points in the final
score.
> > > > Maybe we will be able to see the complete data (QSOs, QSO points,
> > > > multiplier) soon after the complete results are published. But
perhaps
> > > > in the meantime someone from the Italian HQ team can give us some
> > > > light in the subject.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance
> > > >
> > > > 73
> > > > Tom
> > > > SP5UAF
> > > >
> > > >
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