Randy..I must apologize for the loss of your mult. I was the operator and
was CQing with the intent of finding mults. Upon hearing your call, it was
a knee jerk (emphasis on the JERK) reaction to work you. As soon as we
finished the Q, I realized that it was not a mult for us and hit F11(again,
not a smart move). I'm very sorry that it happened at your expense.
This whole issue of M/S in CQWW, must be addressed. I don't think that a
M/S station by any definition should be allowed to CQ on a band other than
the "run" band. However, the way the rules are written at present does
encourage this type of operation. It is an unfortunate fact of life.
73, Ron K8NZ
>From k7fr@concord.televar.com (Gary Nieborsky) Tue Dec 3 00:48:24 1996
From: k7fr@concord.televar.com (Gary Nieborsky) (Gary Nieborsky)
Subject: BD5QE
Message-ID: <199612030048.QAA23059@concord.televar.com>
Has anyone figured out the country for BD5QE (CQWW CW)? Pre-fix is China
but Zone was 25. Any wild guesses??
Gary K7FR
>From cshinn@connect.net (charles d. shinn) Tue Dec 3 03:01:24 1996
From: cshinn@connect.net (charles d. shinn) (charles d. shinn)
Subject: FW: WebSite to find Low Airfares
Message-ID: <01BBE083.3A410D60@a1p37.connect.net>
This is not directly associated with contesting. However, it is a =
subject dearly affecting our forays into the field! I hope you travelers =
find it useful....de Chuck W7MAP.
----------
From: Shinn,Chuck[SMTP:Chuck_Shinn@xn.xerox.com]
Sent: Monday, December 02, 1996 8:02 AM
To: cshinn@connect.net
Subject: FW: WebSite to find Low Airfares
----------
Subject: WebSite to find Low Airfares
Found a neat web site (from the Atlanta Journal Travel Section). You =
can find=20
flight schedules for complex trips AND find the lowest possible airfare. =
I've=20
run several "dummy" trips at it and it seems to work just fine.
http://www.TravelBug.com
Regards,
Mark
>From km9p@contesting.com (Bill Fisher, KM9P / K4AAA) Tue Dec 3 00:45:10 1996
From: km9p@contesting.com (Bill Fisher, KM9P / K4AAA) (Bill Fisher, KM9P /
K4AAA)
Subject: No Skill Required. Huh?
Message-ID: <199612030045.TAA10373@paris.akorn.net>
>However, WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE? Contesting has now become a contest
>not of skill in operating, but a contest as to who can pour the greatest
>amount of money into a station. Who has the greatest amount of bucks can
>win! Skill comes a long way second. Gee, if you cannot operate from your
>own backyard, just go down to the Carribean... It is a well known fact that
>there are only about half a dozen locations in the World where you can win
CQWW?
I totally disagree with the above statement. Number one is skill. $$$ is
important, but not first on the list. It just works out that the guys that
are crazy enough about operating contests are also crazy enough to spend
lots of money on their stations.
Look at KQ2M and KT3Y. The "All Wire" guys. They both make the top ten
USA. Copper wire isn't too expensive the last time I checked.
73
Bill
Bill Fisher, KM9P & K4AAA
http://www.contesting.com
>From lstrain@akarea.alaska.ihs.gov (Larry Strain) Tue Dec 3 01:27:55 1996
From: lstrain@akarea.alaska.ihs.gov (Larry Strain) (Larry Strain)
Subject: Contesting and the internet
Message-ID: <9612030127.AA21603@akarea.alaska.ihs.gov>
For my money there should be a simple rule that only contacts and
information that rely 100 per cent on amateur radio should be permissable.
Seems like I remember an incident some years back where a multi-multi ran up
over a $1000 in telephone bills during a contest to get multipliers.
We are supposed to be doing this for fun and I don't see the fun in cheating.
Larry
N7DF
>From trey@cisco.com (Trey Garlough) Tue Dec 3 01:39:38 1996
From: trey@cisco.com (Trey Garlough) (Trey Garlough)
Subject: No Skill Required. Huh?
Message-ID: <199612030139.RAA06527@scv-cse-4.cisco.com>
> >However, WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE? Contesting has now become a contest
> >not of skill in operating, but a contest as to who can pour the greatest
> >amount of money into a station. Who has the greatest amount of bucks can
> >win! Skill comes a long way second.
Yep. I've heard this one before. I guess it's the big bucks that K6LL
pours into his station that keeps him near the top. Probably explains the
medal he got in WRTC as well.
--Trey, N5KO
>From ki8w@netonecom.net (Barry Martz) Tue Dec 3 01:45:39 1996
From: ki8w@netonecom.net (Barry Martz) (Barry Martz)
Subject: Vanity Summary Location
Message-ID: <199612030146.UAA17325@netone.netonecom.net>
-- [ From: Barry Martz * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --
The Summary is to long to send (42K). You can get it from:
http://www.netonecom.net/~ki8w/bad1.html
It is listed under VANITY CALL SURVEY on the third line of the menu.
Thanks for the many replies.
sri for bandwidth. de Barry / K8BK
>From n7tr@rnodx.org (Rich Hallman N7TR) Tue Dec 3 01:53:44 1996
From: n7tr@rnodx.org (Rich Hallman N7TR) (Rich Hallman N7TR)
Subject: Contesting and the Internet
Message-ID: <BMSMTP8495776444Phallman@mail.greatbasin.net>
> However, WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE? Contesting has now become a contest
> not of skill in operating, but a contest as to who can pour the greatest
> amount of money into a station. Who has the greatest amount of bucks can
> win! Skill comes a long way second. Gee, if you cannot operate from your
> own backyard, just go down to the Carribean... It is a well known fact that
> there are only about half a dozen locations in the World where you can win
CQWW?
>
> de Tom - GM4FDM
> >GB7SDX
> @GB7SAN
> wylie@colloquium.co.uk
Hmmm......Interesting.....
Last time I checked there is still an operator that needs to pilot that
Mega-Cash built station.....Sure, Big antennas, towers and that wonderful
New England QTH is nice, but not always required. What ALWAYS is
required is someone who knows what to do with all that hardware...SKILL!!
Hardware/Cash is the far second...Not Skill....
Rich N7TR
***********************************************************************
Richard Hallman N7TR@RNODX.ORG
11870 Heartpine St "Big is good...Tall is better!"
Reno NV 89506 ex: KI3V, A92FN, HL9RH, KI3V/VP9
702 677-1106 /WP4, /HP, /VO2, N3AMK
************************************************************************
>From aixxo004@cmu.chiangmai.ac.th (Jumsai Janhom-HS1NIV/5) Tue Dec 3
>15:54:49 1996
From: aixxo004@cmu.chiangmai.ac.th (Jumsai Janhom-HS1NIV/5) (Jumsai
Janhom-HS1NIV/5)
Subject: BD5QE
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961203084958.2172A-100000@cmu>
On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Gary Nieborsky wrote:
> Has anyone figured out the country for BD5QE (CQWW CW)? Pre-fix is China
> but Zone was 25. Any wild guesses??
> Gary K7FR
Gary,
I worked this station 3 times on 10,15,20 m.My CT (updated file)
cannot recognize and showed "MAKE_LOG" as well as no multiple scores.
I'm looking for the answer as well.Thanks.
Bye,73s
Log around the clock!!
packet: HS1NIV@N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM
>From w0mu@sprynet.com (Mike Fatchett) Tue Dec 3 02:07:26 1996
From: w0mu@sprynet.com (Mike Fatchett) (Mike Fatchett)
Subject: Ooooppps, no mult!
Message-ID: <01BBE084.0FB44D40@hd89-010.compuserve.com>
Now the question becomes what to do about it. Clearly Randy should not =
lose the mult because he worked a station and that station then decides =
to dump the Qso. =20
What should be the penalty, if any to the M/S station. Seems they =
violated the rules by working Randy.
Times like this make me glad that I am not deciding these things.
Mike
W0MU
>From patd@wolfenet.com (Patrick Dayshaw) Tue Dec 3 02:08:17 1996
From: patd@wolfenet.com (Patrick Dayshaw) (Patrick Dayshaw)
Subject: Ooooppps, no mult!
Message-ID: <199612030213.SAA15424@wolfe.net>
Ron K8NZ wrote:
>This whole issue of M/S in CQWW, must be addressed. I don't think that a
>M/S station by any definition should be allowed to CQ on a band other than
>the "run" band. However, the way the rules are written at present does
>encourage this type of operation. It is an unfortunate fact of life.
The rules may ENCOURAGE it, but they DO NOT require it. If you really
think that it violates the "spirit" of what should be done then "just say
no" and don't do it.
With all the discussion about the "rules" hardly anyone ever addresses the
"spirit" of the law, only the "letter" of the law.
Patrick
WA7VNI
patd@wolfenet.com
>From k9pg@sbbs.net (k9pg) Tue Dec 3 02:36:45 1996
From: k9pg@sbbs.net (k9pg) (k9pg)
Subject: Re[2]: No Skill Required. Huh?
Message-ID: <0000A526.3115@sbbs.net>
Also explains why KR0Y has won SS low power for the past two years...
not like he has any skill or anything... and all his money also
explains why he and K1TO won WRTC.
Money... yeah yeah.... That's it... Money...
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmooooooonnnney
Settle down Beavis!
Who sent that anyway? I deleted the original message because I just
looked at it and laughed!
Paul K9PG ex WX9E
K9PG@sbbs.net
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: No Skill Required. Huh?
Author: trey@cisco.com (Trey Garlough) at Internet
> >However, WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE? Contesting has now become a contest
> >not of skill in operating, but a contest as to who can pour the greatest
> >amount of money into a station. Who has the greatest amount of bucks can
> >win! Skill comes a long way second.
Yep. I've heard this one before. I guess it's the big bucks that K6LL
pours into his station that keeps him near the top. Probably explains the
medal he got in WRTC as well.
--Trey, N5KO
>From HWDX09A@prodigy.com ( ROBERT REED) Tue Dec 3 03:17:48 1996
From: HWDX09A@prodigy.com ( ROBERT REED) ( ROBERT REED)
Subject: Ooooppps, no mult!
Message-ID: <199612030317.WAA20550@mime4.prodigy.com>
>What should be the penalty, if any to the M/S station.
>Seems they violated the rules by working Randy.
Yes, They worked Randy and should have logged it.
In my opinion once a MULT station starts seeking QSOs by a CQ he is
no longer a MULT station but a 2nd transmitter. Searching and working
MULTS is not calling CQ and logging only the new ones. A MULT station
can search out and call new MULTS. Other than that he should do
nothing.
I doubt it was ever intended that the MULT station ever do more than
tune for new MULTS and work them.
____
73, Bob Reed, W2CE, ex WB2DIN
1991 Route 37 West - Lot 109
Toms River, New Jersey 08757
>From HWDX09A@prodigy.com ( ROBERT REED) Tue Dec 3 03:28:42 1996
From: HWDX09A@prodigy.com ( ROBERT REED) ( ROBERT REED)
Subject: Re[2]: No Skill Required. Huh?
Message-ID: <199612030328.WAA03796@mime4.prodigy.com>
Skill is the name of the game but a nice station sure enhances the
skills of the operator.
To run DX at 90/hr from home was nice but to help out at a M/M
recently using stacked monos and a big amp let me work at 130/hr for
about 14 hours until I convinced someone I really was tired and
wanted to stretch. That big hardware boosted my normal rate big time
and left me demanding enough to have 14 hours worth of DXers on hand.
Could I attract that crowd from home ? No way ! The hardware made my
signal big enough to attract callers.
Leaving the M/M 5 hours before the end and tuning around from home
SKILL allowed me to spot some new ones for the M/M but they could 1
call every station where I had to bust pileups.
Hardware works, put a good op in front of it and watch.
____
73, Bob Reed, W2CE, ex WB2DIN
1991 Route 37 West - Lot 109
Toms River, New Jersey 08757
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