In a message dated 96-04-09 01:43:38 EDT, you write:
>WANTED: More discussions of propagation phenomenon observed in the last
>contest ala K3ZO's posting....NOT WANTED rantings and ravings about of all
>things, United Parcel Service, AGAIN!!!
>Is there someplace the real contesters are hanging out these days...it used
>to be CQ-Contest....but the postings I used to enjoy have dried up, a hole
>bunch of cutesy crap ala some chat room from America On-Line has moved in!!!
>More talk about the Loos-Gauge....less CRAP from loosers.*
Hiya, Jimbo --
GREAT post. I have to admit, though, that I enjoy the wide range of
comments but am really only interested in the meaningfull ones that you
mentioned -- real live contesting issues and ideas. The recent discussion of
amplifier theory and application was WAY OVER my head but it was fascinating
to see actual informed comments and explanations. This reflector (and
thanks, Trey, for making it available!), for better or worse, is just like
real life -- some great moments with a lot of extraneous garbage. It's kind
of organic, too. It changes and grows as it evolves -- sometimes for the
better and sometimes not. I'm going to wade through it all because I love
contesting and I really want to be a part of the contesting community. I
even want to make a contribution back to it through my tower column and
advice when I'm asked. Jim, your pithy comments and perspective are always
appreciated -- especially this one!
BTW, I am also a recent subsciber to the DX reflector and IMHO it's even
worse.
73, Steve K7LXC
>From jh1hrj@tpost1.netspace.or.jp (Kazuaki Oya) Tue Apr 9 19:52:05 1996
From: jh1hrj@tpost1.netspace.or.jp (Kazuaki Oya) (Kazuaki Oya)
Subject: Wanted EA-RTTY contest rule.
Message-ID: <199604091852.DAA02899@tpost1.netspace.or.jp>
Hello everybody.
I would like to know the rule, address to send the log, and dead log dead line
of EA-RTTY contest held on April 7.
Please send me a mail if somebody knows the information.
Thank you. --- Kaz
>From Bruce (AA8U)" <aa8u@voyager.net Tue Apr 9 20:04:37 1996
From: Bruce (AA8U)" <aa8u@voyager.net (Bruce (AA8U))
Subject: 90% of... This reflector needs a change.
Message-ID: <199604091904.PAA10986@vixa.voyager.net>
At 09:04 AM 4/9/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>PLEASE READ THIS!
>-----------------
>
>The solution to this problem is very simple and requires a little work.
>We change this reflector to be MODERATED. A message sent to a moderated
>reflector first gets sent to a moderator. The moderator then reads the
>message and approves it or does nothing in which case it gets trashed.
>
>Anyone can be the moderator. It can (and probably should be) changed by
>the list owner. Of course someone will be burdened by this task, but if
>we share the responsibility of the task, then I don't think it would be
>as bad.
>
>What we will get is intelligent discussions again instead of BS postings
>by guys that never operate contests and obviously have nowhere else to
>call home.
>
>IMO
>
>73
>
>Bill, KM9P
>
Hi Bill,
I hope the selected "moderator" and I agree on what is BS...... Everyone
has their own interests even within the broad category of contesting. What
is interesting for one person may not be interesting to me...etc. Some of
the recent postings, 3rd party, some qro...not all, have been hard to take
for me but gee, I just delete them and move on. At least I had the choice.
Not sure I want some well intentioned "moderator" deciding for me what I
should be interested in.
73,
Ugly
>From k0wa@southwind.net (Lee Buller) Tue Apr 9 20:34:06 1996
From: k0wa@southwind.net (Lee Buller) (Lee Buller)
Subject: Contest Catagories
Message-ID: <199604091934.OAA29474@onyx.southwind.net>
Someone was rather "in-flammed" here a couple of days ago when the talk on
the reflector was something less than pure contesting. Well, I thought I
would stick my fool head out and make a proposal. Anybody got an axe?
I have been most impressed with the big guns on the reflector talking about
their stations, but most of the people contesting has not spent the amount
of dollars in equipment and antennas. That is fine, but my wife (I love her
dearly) won't let me and neither will my banker (he is OK, but I'm not in
love with him).
For instance, back in 1980 and 81, I won SS in multi-op with a TS820, SB220,
a TH6 and a TH3 with dipoles for 80 and 40. That is today a modest station.
I recognize that some people are not even that well off in equipment or
antennas, but I am a far cry off from some of the stations I've heard
described on the reflector.
Question: Should contest be configured to allow for classes of stations?
ie; Dreadnought Stations - Magnum Stations - Super Stations - Howitzer
Stations - Shotgun Stations - Popgun Stations - BB-Gun Stations - Peanut
Whistle Stations.
This proposal is already in effect for QRP stations, but what about
spreading around the "winning glory" a little with divisions for different
types of stations. A simple formula could be constructed to determine what
catagory of station you would fit.
Lets see if some of you bright boys out there can come up with a formula to
determine the catagory. For example:
tower = 1 point per foot (for all towers)
Triband beam = 100 points (if you have two X2)
Monobander beam = 200 points (if you have six X6)
Big Amp = 1000 points (2000 points over 1500 watts)
Small Amp = 500 points
Less than 150 watts = 150 points
Dipole = 50 points
Loop = 75 points
Computer = 500 points
Memory Keyer = 100 points
Typical station (such as mine) would add up to: 1360
Magnum Station would add up to: 1 bazillion
Whoops, I am in the Shotgun class!
Should we also provide divisions for computer assisted or non computer
assisted stations? memory keyer or no memory keyer stations? (I do not
want to dupe ever again, so you won't see me there!)
How about a division in multi-op catagories. Multi-op high power, multi-op
low power ( I would like to see this in SS). Multi-op is not only fun, but
it gives a chance to train other hams in contest operations.
Remember guys, this is only to get the discussion going. Don't take it
personally. I am real nice guy....just ask me...I'll tell you.
I'm a reall nice guy!
Lee Buller
K0WA
k0wa@southwind.net
>From mraz@rdxsunhost.aud.alcatel.com (Kris I. Mraz) Tue Apr 9 21:10:34 1996
From: mraz@rdxsunhost.aud.alcatel.com (Kris I. Mraz) (Kris I. Mraz)
Subject: Another Attack on Contesting and non-contest QRG
Message-ID: <9604092010.AA04184@maverick.aud.alcatel.com>
Bill, AA4LR, said:
> I can ALMOST understand the 10m thing. Given that a fair number of novices
> and tech-plus operators have sole access to HF phone on 28.3-28.5 -- they
> don't have the option of going anywhere when the contest hits.
Then again, as you said in a previous paragraph:
> * Contests are generally single mode -- use the other mode
73
Kris AA5UO
mraz@aud.alcatel.com
>From Jim Lowman <jlowman@iepsnet.com> Tue Apr 9 21:20:03 1996
From: Jim Lowman <jlowman@iepsnet.com> (Jim Lowman)
Subject: 90% of... This reflector needs a change.
Message-ID: <12200303100342@iepsnet.com>
At 09:04 AM 4/9/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>PLEASE READ THIS!
>-----------------
>
>The solution to this problem is very simple and requires a little work.
>We change this reflector to be MODERATED. A message sent to a moderated
>reflector first gets sent to a moderator. The moderator then reads the
>message and approves it or does nothing in which case it gets trashed.
>
>Anyone can be the moderator. It can (and probably should be) changed by
>the list owner. Of course someone will be burdened by this task, but if
>we share the responsibility of the task, then I don't think it would be
>as bad.
>
>What we will get is intelligent discussions again instead of BS postings
>by guys that never operate contests and obviously have nowhere else to
>call home.
Count my vote as STRONGLY AGAINST moderation.
Every time a list or newsgroup gets cluttered by junk, someone always comes out
of the woodwork in favor of censorship. I suggest that this is not the answer.
If you want to see moderation in action, just subscribe to the boatanchors list
for a while. This guy is constantly posting messages to the list that are
critical
of the messages posted. Since this guy also has the gall to CHARGE $12 to
be on his list each year, it's even more ridiculous!
73 de Jim - KF6CR
>From Ronald D Rossi <rrossi@btv.ibm.com> Tue Apr 9 21:46:08 1996
From: Ronald D Rossi <rrossi@btv.ibm.com> (Ronald D Rossi)
Subject: Third Parties...getting long again!
Message-ID: <9604092046.AA31015@btv.ibm.com>
>>>Stan Griffiths said:
> >I have come to look at it this way...If the party doing the talking could
> be replaced by a DVK, then that is essentially what they are. I don't
> recall complaints regarding the use of DVKs to make contacts with non-third
> party agreement nations/territories. When the DVK starts thinking and
> speaking on its own that may pose a problem. Makes sense to me.
> >
> >--
> >73 de N1PBT...ron (rrossi@btv.ibm.com) <><
>
> Well, the party doing the talking CAN'T be replaced by a DVK, can they?
> That person generally is tuning the radio, deciding which way and how much
> to tune it, deciding when to transmit, pressing keys on a keyboard to log
> contacts, etc. Only the "talking" aspect of their activities can be
> replaced by a DVK.
>
> Since a DVK is not conisidered an operator, and a single op station can use
> one without putting himself in a multi op category, it would follow that if
> another person doing part of the activities is "nothing more than a DVK",
> that station should still be considered single op . . . regardless of how
> many people are doing the talking and acting only as DVKs.
>
> I can't buy your argument . . . but it did provide food for thought. I am
> interested in any other thoughts you have on this interesting subject.
>
You are taking the argument to a context that it was not intended for.
Regarding third party traffic it is the content of the message that counts.
With respect to the content of the message, the DVK argument holds. The
traffic is not third party.
Regarding contest entry class it is mostly the equipment operation and
configuration that counts. The DVK argument was never intended to hold for
this case.
The reply reminded my of a skit off the ALBUM that Monty Python released for
Holy Grail. It is an analysis by a philosipher of the "She's a witch!" scene.
The comparison ends up with his wife quite illogically concluding that "If she
buys kippers, it will not rain...."! Anyway I digress.
--
73 de N1PBT...ron (rrossi@btv.ibm.com) <><
>From C. Logan Dietz (KE5FI)" <ke5fi@wt.net Tue Apr 9 23:08:30 1996
From: C. Logan Dietz (KE5FI)" <ke5fi@wt.net (C. Logan Dietz (KE5FI))
Subject: 90% of... This reflector needs a change.
References: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.960409085735.2463C-100000@paris.akorn.net>
Message-ID: <316ADFDE.2032@wt.net>
Bill Fisher KM9P wrote:
>
> PLEASE READ THIS!
> -----------------
>
> The solution to this problem is very simple and requires a little work.
> We change this reflector to be MODERATED.
CENSORSHIP!!!!!!
Gad!
Chuck, KE5FI
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