Zweibek, KR2Q, writes:
>Placing #3, 4, or 5 SOA,
>or placing in the TOP TEN (even tenth) for non-assisted? If you can't
>be PROUD of your score, because of what OTHERS say, maybe you're in it
>for the wrong reason.
Here we go agin' with this "SO" is for real men snobbery. I'm getting
sick and tired of you helping to perpetuate this attitude, Doug.
Get off your high horse and join the rest of us.
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73 de Walt Kornienko - K2WK Internet: waltk@pica.army.mil
DX PacketCluster: K2WK > W3MM (FRC) Packet: K2WK@N2ERH.NJ.USA.NOAM
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>From Daniel R. Violette" <Daniel_R._Violette@smtpgty.anatcp.rockwell.com Mon
>Oct 3 23:08:41 1994
From: Daniel R. Violette" <Daniel_R._Violette@smtpgty.anatcp.rockwell.com
(Daniel R. Violette)
Subject: Individual Scores on the Reflector
Message-ID: <9409037812.AA781218815@smtpgty.anatcp.rockwell.com>
Disclaimer - This is not meant to get a big discussion going and I may
be in the minority.
I personally do not like to see every individual score posted. Sure
multiplies the number of messages received the week or so after
contests (used to be MAJOR contests, now most any will do). I DO VERY
MUCH LIKE the high claimed and other lists of scores. I wish I was in
a position to volunteer to take on a contest or two to summarize, but
just can't at this time.
Maybe this will trigger more to volunteer to summarize. I know that
KA9FOX has done it for some contests and some contest sponsors or
volunteers for the sponsors have done it (such as N6TR, etc.).
Again I hope this doesn't get into a big discussion. The scores are
only a minor nuisance, I can delete then in a few seconds once I see
what it is (does add up though on Mondays after a contest). On the
otherhand, plentiful discussions on trivial subjects need a little
reading before trashing to the bit bucket.
73,
Dan KI6X
e-mail: Daniel_R._Violette@smtpgty.anatcp.rockwell.com
>From Draper, Bruce L." <draperbl%smtplink.mdl.sandia.gov@sass165.sandia.gov
>Mon Oct 3 22:41:23 1994
From: Draper, Bruce L." <draperbl%smtplink.mdl.sandia.gov@sass165.sandia.gov
(Draper, Bruce L.)
Subject: Individual Scores on the Reflector
Message-ID: <9409037812.AA781224083@smtplink.mdl.sandia.gov>
KI6X writes:
I personally do not like to see every individual score posted.
________________________________________
My 2 cents' worth:
I don't necessarily like to see each of the *scores* posted, but I
thoroughly enjoy studying the comments. Besides the entertainment
value, many are educational . . . I firmly believe that my position in
several contests was improved significantly by paying attention to
remarks made here about things like propagation and times for band
changes during the week before the contest (e.g., cw sprint and SS data
the week before the phone events).
Keep 'em coming.
-Bruce AA5B
>From milewski@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU (Steve Milewski) Tue Oct 4 00:06:32 1994
From: milewski@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU (Steve Milewski) (Steve Milewski)
Subject: Summary: Can We Do This?
Message-ID: <01HHUGALGRLE8ZHMWV@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
Last week I posted the question about whether we could enter contests like
CQWW & ARRL DX with a single band entry while, at the same time, operating
the other bands to run up personal band totals, new countries, etc.
Everyone who answered my post said, "yes, no problem. Indicate your entry
very clearly and send in the other QSO's as a checklog".
HOWEVER, an interesting point came up in various replies. And that is -
what about those "extra" contacts counting for a club entry?
There were several conflicting answers and I have not been able to get any
clarification from officials of CQ or ARRL.
I have been told in the e-mail replies that in the CQ contests, if I
entered a single band category and worked "extra" contacts on the other
bands... they WOULD BE counted for any club entry.
On the other hand, the responses indicated that in ARRL contests, ONLY THE
CONTACTS WHICH I CLAIMED AS PART OF MY ENTRY would be able to count as part
of a club entry.
Just thought you might like to know.
73,
Steve Milewski
milewski@oregon.uoregon.edu
Ham: AA7FL
*** Stumps don't lie! ***
>From James White <0006492564@mcimail.com> Tue Oct 4 00:26:00 1994
From: James White <0006492564@mcimail.com> (James White)
Subject: It ain't a macho thing
Message-ID: <50941003232605/0006492564PK1EM@MCIMAIL.COM>
I too am getting tired of the single op assisted thing raising its
head again and again. It is very clear to me that if one person's mind alone
created a score he is a single op, if the gray cells of another helped he
ain't solo - he's been assisted, period.
Many of you have, and will say again that I am an assisted op by
virtue of the fact that I operate (usually) from my parents QTH and since
they are hams, too - well it is obvious they have assisted in the sense that
I have a station engineer who has prepped things....coupled with the fact
that my Mom knows to serve me sandwiches in ziplock bags so that I don't get
the food on my sending/logging hands - obviously I feel this is not so - I
had to get this said though before others voiced it as they always do...if
you think this is an advantage, have your wife assist you in the sandwich
department, too!
Being packetless is not a macho man thing at all. Those who
perceive it as such should reevaluate their own self doubts as to their
ability or unfulfilled desire to have done it alone.
If you think that packet is simply part of the evolution of
contesting, you are quite right...however it is a part of the evolution of
multi-single. Like the way that the original multi-singles were one rig
stations with a guy who would stand up wearily at xx:xx zulu, joints
snapping and popping, taking off the cans and passing them to another
operator who would in turn put 'em on VERSUS todays multi-station
multi-singles. These multi-stations now include a "new" station...the packet
station...that is all...it is another member of the crew whose specialty is
multipliers.
Keep the unassisted efforts of those who chose to be unassisted
separate from those who choose not to...leave debates as to whether or not
it is an aide as debates...YES, WE HAVE SEEN IT DON'T SEEM TO HELP HERE IN
THE STATES, BUT DO NOT USE THAT LOGIC TO JUSTIFY THE INCLUSION OF THOSE WHO
HAD SOMEONE ELSE'S GRAY CELLS DO SOME OF THE OPERATING ALONG WITH THOSE WHO
SIMPLY CHOSE TO GO IT ALONE...CONTESTING HAS MANY GREAT OPERATORS WHO HAVE
SETTLED ON HAM RADIO BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THEM TO GO IT ALONE.
Congratulations to the California guys for once again putting on a
world class QSO party...Texans next, in three weeks...this is good, it is a
fitting warmup to SS CW. I too enjoy seeing everyone's summaries of their
contest weekend...we share a common bond as contesters and can relate when
we hear the tales of TVI and blown SB220 rectifiers!
Good luck to everyone this Fall season...73,
Jim K1zx
k1zx@micmail.com
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